Indiana / Illinois
 

Jay Bilas must have arrangements at the conclusion of the game. He has been ripping the officials from the end of regulation through the first OT.

On a lighter note, everytime Welmer gets face time, he is hiking up his trousers. :D

Yikes... A 10-second count by the freshman!

I didn't really dislike Bilas before this game even though his east coast bias gets out of hand at times. But he was awful. kept saying what a team needs to do and then something else happens. Bilas- they need to drive the lane. guy swishes a three.
hey that wasn't michael jordan :rolleyes:

Full disclaimer that I am completely an Indiana fanboy...

I thought the game was pretty well officiated last night, but there are two plays I would like to get others thoughts on.

1.) Does anybody else have a technical foul at the start of the game for Frazier's "chest bump" during introductions against Gordon? That was a pretty big cheap shot.

2.) I know no one wants to make a call on an 80 foot desperation heave, but I think there has to be a foul on Pruitt against DJ White at the end of the game. There was a similar play in the Rutgers-Maryland women's game this year with less than 1 second to go and the officials (correctly, I believe) called that foul.

Just was wondering if anyone who saw those two plays had a take on them.

I saw the chest bump, it was a cheap shot. Technical? No way.

I saw the renege on his committment before the season - that was a cheap shot. Technical? No way. :)

Fanboy alert, fanboy alert......

Yeah, they always seem to start popping up this time of year.

At least this fanboy will probably be fading back into the woodwork after the first round of the Big Ten tournament this year.

Geeze, how can you get mad at the kid, Gordon, anyway? He was a free agent. That means he gets to accept the best offer.

Indiana just has a higher salary cap. Shrug.

I didn't see the replay on this to watch the clock but thought it was fast. I can't remember the last time I've seen this called...especially with little or no backcourt pressure.

See that's the thing, Illinois didn't think he was a free agent. Apparently the kid's word doesn't mean much.

But, it would've been nice to have him here, if only to teach some of the other IL players how to shoot FT's. Pruitt had a chance to put IL ahead in both regulation and the first OT if he would've made just one...just one lousy FT...one is all I'm asking... http://emoticons4u.com/sad/310.gif

Kind of like a coach who sits down to apple pie at a recruit's house with mom and says he will take care of her boy and make sure he's tucked in at night and graduates. He then bolts for Upper U and a fatter offer the first chance he gets.

Please, any 17-18 year old kid has far better ethics than anyone associated with any big time program.

You're actually trying to apply the concept of ethics to D1 recruiting?

Silly monkey!:rolleyes:

Naw, I think that most of both sides share the same lack of ethics when it comes to the recruiting merry-go-round.

The <i>rah-rah, sis boom bah</i> boolsh!t went out of style a long time ago.

In real time, I thought it was quick. However, the shot clock was down to 24 when he called the violation.

When the shot clock got to 25 the official (I believe it was Hillary) straddled the halfcourt stripe, and when it hit 24 and the player had a foot still in the halfcourt, he signaled the violation.

Picture of M&M Guy reading about ethics:

http://www.funny-games.biz/images/pi...gin-of-man.jpg

Wait a minute. The Illini fan is coming out. :D Your word only applies when everything stays the same. Gordon changed his mind because the circumstances changed. He verbally committed to Illinois because Davis was the coach at Indiana. And based on Davis' unstable behavior I would not have wanted to play for him either. Davis retired and the kid changed his mind because the circumstances at Indiana changed. Any adult has a right to change their mind from time to time and definitely when circumstances change.

Just take the loss like a true Illini fan and stop blaming your failure on a kid that wanted to stay home.

Peace

Hey, first of all, I'm blaming the loss on terrible FT shooting. Well, ok, I'm blaming it on Gordon for not being here to teach better FT shooting... :o

But I would certainly feel better if IL could play MI a few more times. ;)

We have national championship banners hanging up in our gym. Maybe that success could rub off. ;)

Peace

Yeah, dusty banners.

Very dusty.:D

It is better to have a banner that is dusty than none at all. Ask M&M about how many they have hanging in their gym? :D

Peace

Well, I just re-read this, and have a question for you - what about the IL program changed? Did the coaching staff change? Did the scholarship offer change? Did the program get placed on probation since his commitment? Did the school burn down or lose it's accreditation? There's nothing about the program he <B>committed to</B> that changed.

I think it's wrong the NCAA locks in a kid who signs a letter of intent, even though the coach might leave. And in this case, Gordon didn't sign anything, so he is free to make another decision.

Let me ask you this - an AD calls you to do a game next season on a Friday night, and you agree to take the game. A little while later, an AD from another school calls you to do a game for them on that same night. The school's a little closer, and the pay is a little more. Do you honor your first commitment, even though you haven't signed the contract yet? Or do you take the closer game, call the first AD back and tell them , "Never mind"? Have you done anything "wrong" by taking the second game? No. Is it it right? No.

Gordon didn't do anything "wrong" either. But that still doesn't keep us IL fans from being grumpy about it.

Absolutely true.

And I'm speaking as a Cub fan. :D

Hey, you came up a Hummer short. Deal with it.

No Hummer dealerships in Champaign. I believe the closest one is in Indy.

Figures.

Come on now, you know his decision was not just about the Illini.

Exactly.

It all depends on the circumstances and the situations surrounding my decision. If what I was told was not true or changed after my decision, I might change my mind and I have in those situations. I have backed out of many of those situations because I was lied to about everything from the level I was to work to what I was supposed to be paid, to the time the game was suppose to start. If the situation changes, I have a right to not work any game if what I was told was not true. And that would be the very same if I had a contract. That is why I do not make a habit to work without contracts.

Also keep in mind that a kid going to a college is a life changing decision and the most important decision a kid will make at that point in their life. And just like any student that graduates from any good school, their life is affected by that decision much more than whether I accept a game that only will affect me for one evening. I do not look at the two situations the same on any level.

That is fine, but do not make it sound like the kid violated some code of ethics to stay closer to home (Which is going to affect his family more than you will ever know. I say that because I had two family members that played major college football). There is more at stake in his life than whether he plays basketball at the Illini.

Peace

Ok, so let's say the first school was honest about everything - start time, pay, varsity game only, working with 2 other good partners, etc., is it ok to verbally commit to that school and AD, only to tell them later that you've got a better offer for the same level game at a school closer to home?

Once again you are trying to compare apples to prunes.

I very well might take a game closer in that situation if I have a qualified sub that can cover the game. I have also been in situations where I have traded games with officials for all kinds of reasons. Several years ago I traded a varsity games with a friend because of a situation that took place with one of the school administrators at one of the schools and it was in the best interest of one of the officials to move off of the game. And there was a written contract in both situations. If situations change, the decisions change.

Peace

Bottom Line: The kid never signed any paper to go to Illinois so he could change his mind at any time and that's simply what he did. You have grown men who sign paperwork to be at a school and leave 1 month later...who's the real "traitor"?

Plus Illini fans have to take into account the kid is actually from INDIANA! Why wouldn't the kid want to stay in his home state????

I love the fan who says 'its his fault we have a losing record'........LOL! Hilarious! Grow up...get a life! Slavery is over...the kid doens't owe Illinois anything. :D

Jeff, you keep putting the prunes in my apple basket. You keep bring up all the different situations - I just asked a straightfoward question without all the conditions you keep adding.

If I agree to take a game with a school, I will not back out of that to take another same-level game just because it pays more or is closer to home. If there is some reason I turn back a game to work at a higher level, I will help the AD find a replacement official. I don't just back out and say, "Sorry, your loss". Now, with the time that's past, I have put the AD in a situation where it's harder to find a suitable replacement.

Essentially, that's what Gordon did - he went to a same-level school, just to be closer to home, and left IL with less time to find a replacement. I agree with you that Gordon's decision is a far more important one than taking a refereeing job for an evening. Which, to me, makes his word all the more important in this case. Of course, Gordon had the opportunity to go wherever he wanted. So, why did he make the oral commitment? Why didn't he just wait to make his commitment until the actual signing day?

I don't wish any ill will on him for doing what he wants to do. (Although he would look much better wearing orange and blue...) He apparently didn't do anything illegal. But, isn't a person's word worth anything? Keeping my word is important to me. Perhaps it's just not that important to other people. Too bad.

People rob banks all the time, so that's why I should be able to do it too.

Makes sense. :rolleyes: