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ref18 Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:53pm

AP screw-up
 
OK, so I was doing a kids game the other day.

It was my 6th game of the day (did a couple of JV games earlier), it was late at night, my mind was so unfocused.

Called a jump ball, wrong team inbounded, goes down the court, goes up for a shot, gets fouled and scores. That's when I realize what I did.

So what should you do in that situation? What does the book say should happen?

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 01:56pm

Play on. It's too late once the throwin is completed.

JoeTheRef Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by ref18
OK, so I was doing a kids game the other day.

It was my 6th game of the day (did a couple of JV games earlier), it was late at night, my mind was so unfocused.

Called a jump ball, wrong team inbounded, goes down the court, goes up for a shot, gets fouled and scores. That's when I realize what I did.

So what should you do in that situation? What does the book say should happen?

Disallow the basket. Report the foul. If you can remember what the exact time was prior to the throw-in, have the timekeeper to put that time back on the clock. Apologize to the coaches, players and fans, and then readminister the throw-in to the correct team. Last but not least, take less games, if 6 games is clouding your judgement.

Adam Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:09pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Disallow the basket. Report the foul. If you can remember what the exact time was prior to the throw-in, have the timekeeper to put that time back on the clock. Apologize to the coaches, players and fans, and then readminister the throw-in to the correct team.

You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.
At first I wasn't sure, but the part in red makes me think you're probably kidding.

Jurassic Referee Tue Feb 05, 2008 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by ref18
Called a jump ball, wrong team inbounded, goes down the court, goes up for a shot, gets fouled and scores. That's when I realize what I did.

So what should you do in that situation? What does the book say should happen?

Case book play 6.4.1SitD

ref18 Tue Feb 05, 2008 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
Disallow the basket. Report the foul. If you can remember what the exact time was prior to the throw-in, have the timekeeper to put that time back on the clock. Apologize to the coaches, players and fans, and then readminister the throw-in to the correct team. Last but not least, take less games, if 6 games is clouding your judgement.

6 is nothing. Usually it's alright, I'm just in the middle of assignment/midterm season at school. My usual schedule is anywhere between 10-15 games on a weekend.

We didn't reverse anything, but my partner (the R's) decision was to give the team that mistakenly received the ball, the arrow for the next AP situation, which i disagreed with.

As for apologizing, I'll apologize to the coaches, but that's as far as it goes, I won't address the fans under good circumstances, I sure as hell won't talk to them over this. And come on, would you ever really do a redo? That's just asinine.

Raymond Tue Feb 05, 2008 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by ref18
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We didn't reverse anything, but my partner (the R's) decision was to give the team that mistakenly received the ball, the arrow for the next AP situation, which i disagreed with...

Definitely the wrong move by your partner.

ref18 Tue Feb 05, 2008 07:03pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Definitely the wrong move by your partner.

Definitely made for interesting discussion on the drive home.

Nevadaref Tue Feb 05, 2008 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Definitely the wrong move by your partner.

Yep, the book says to never knowingly give the AP to the same team twice.

However, that is what you would have done has you "not reversed anything." The arrow would still have favored the team that should have had the last one.

deecee Tue Feb 05, 2008 07:42pm

this is non-correctible.

BillyMac Wed Feb 06, 2008 08:03pm

I Leaned It On The Forum ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ref18
Called a jump ball, wrong team inbounded, goes down the court, goes up for a shot, gets fouled and scores. That's when I realize what I did. So what should you do in that situation? What does the book say should happen?

Apologize and tell the offended coach that he, or she, "will get two of the next three alternating possessions."


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