Goal Tending
 

I dont have a case book so i thouhgt i ask you guys. Watching a jv game and A1 made an attempt missed completly and B1 goes up for the rebound hitting the net. The refs called this goaltending im jsut curious as to if this is or not.

If I understand your play, A1 shoots misses badly, B1 goes up for the rebound hitting the net on the way up.

If no part of the ball is on the rim or the imaginary cylinder above the rim which has the ring as its base then this is nothing and even if it was it would never be goal-tending.

If the ball was on the rim or in the imaginary cylinder and B1 hits the net, the call would be basket interference.

Based on your grammar and punctuation, I'm not clear on the play you're describing. However, if the defender had his hands in the net while the ball was on the ring or in the cylinder, it would be basket interference, not goaltending.

Sorry about the grammer not a big fan of typing. The best way i can put it was no the ball was not in the cylinder above
the rim. When Player B1 touched the net the ball was in the cornor of the rim and back board.

Read previous post...Basket Interference not Goal-tending.

Ok Then the offical must of duffed this one he called it goal tending and couting the basket.

Either way you would still count the basket for the "A" team. B/I & G/T carry the same penalty on the defensive team.

It's not BI to touch the basket while the ball is in the cylinder. It's nothing.

He's not the only one. ;)
Listen to Bob Jenkins. He has it right.

If the ball has fallen through the ring, isn't it in the cylinder? or is it only considered a cylinder above the ring?

Rule 4-6-2.:rolleyes:

ok Thank you very much.

Let me rephrase no BI if the net is touched while the ball is off the rim & in the imaginary cylinder. The ball would have to be touched in order for this to be BI. If the ball is on or in then BI would apply

Rule 4-6-2...Touches the ball or any part of the basket (including the net) while the ball is on or within either basket.

I read this to say that if the ball is in the cylinder not the imaginary cylinder, but the cylinder of the basket (RIM) and the net is touched then that would be BI. (This might be what BOB is saying anyway)

In the OP's play the ball is on the ring when the net is touched, BI.

You can rephrase it, but your re-phrasing is 100% diametrically opposite to what you stated above. As per NFHS rule 4-6-1&2, you were completely wrong. That's what Bob was telling you.

Can't get nothing by you JR!!!! I got to writing to quickly between BI and GT and didn't take the time to comprehend what I wrote....thus why I said let me rephrase!

"DELETE IMAGINARY"

Your right! I was wrong! Thanks for being so quick to point that out.:rolleyes:

OK, let's delete "imaginary".

The statement now reads <i>"If the ball was on the rim <b>or in the cylinder</b> and B1 hits the net, the call would be basket interference."</i>

You're still completely wrong. It is not BI to hit the net while the ball is in the cylinder. Rule 4-6-2 tells you what the cylinder is. Rule 4-6-1 tells you that you can only call BI if the net is touched while the ball is on or within the basket. Rule 1-10-1 tells you <b>exactly</b> what the basket is.

You really don't understand the rule, do you?

Post #13 I think this PREVIOUS post explains what I meant although worded incorrectly. Pretty sure I have a good handle on the BI/GT requirements.

cylinder (plural cylinders)

(geometry) A surface created by projecting a closed two-dimensional curve along an axis intersecting the plane of the curve.
When the two-dimensional curve is a circle, the cylinder is called a circular cylinder. When the axis is perpendicular to the plane of the curve, the cylinder is called a right cylinder. In non-mathematical usage, both 'right and circular are usually implied.
(geometry) A solid figure bounded by a cylinder and two parallel planes intersecting the cylinder.

After looking up the word cylinder I realize You & Bob are absolutely correct in the fact that ,"basket" & "cylinder," means two different things. Ring, cylinder, I thought they were the same. Now I know!

Really not sure how many times you want to be proven right but that chalks up two more for JR. Like I said before I was writing faster then I was comprehending. My mistake!

Doesn't #2 pretty much make #1 a false statement? :rolleyes:

:D Well I guess it would seem so. The way I would rule BI would be the same. Like I said I wrongly (for the third time) assumed cylinder & basket were considered the same thing. Thinking imaginary cylinder was the space above the rim and cylinder was the rim or the same as the rim.

I thought a ball inside of the ring could also be considered inside of the cylinder, which by definition would be wrong as Bob & JR stated earlier.

Regardless if I was calling the rim the cylinder or the rim it wouldn't change how I will look @ the play. However this discussion will/has changed the way I will define BI.

;)

Not neccessarily.

I can believe he knows when it needs to be call but not how to put it into the proper words.