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Nevadaref Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:28am
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Originally Posted by ca_rumperee
Me: "Coach, I'm telling you what I need from you and your players."
Coach: "I don't think you are right, I'm not giving it to you"
Me: Whack.

Ironically, since we would be clearing the lane to shoot the original FT's, he could have his players over for a chat.... if he can keep his focus!

But, riddle me this... If I now clear the lane for the original two shots, plus the technical foul shots.... the players need to be at mid court. If we are in the first half, with offending coach at the end where the FT's are being attempted, he is cut off from his players, right? No way he can caucus with them..
That's not correct. They merely need to adhere to the restrictions for players NOT in marked lane spaces. There is no rule that requires them to be anywhere else.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:29am
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
You do have a evil streak in you, I like that :)

Let him talk to his players, just make sure they are all outside the FT restrictions area.
And that he is seated while speaking with them. ;)

BayStateRef Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:30am
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Originally Posted by ca_rumperee
But, riddle me this... If I now clear the lane for the original two shots, plus the technical foul shots.... the players need to be at mid court. If we are in the first half, with offending coach at the end where the FT's are being attempted, he is cut off from his players, right? No way he can caucus with them..
A common misconception. The players need to be beyond the 3-point line and beyond the free throw line extended -- all the places they are allowed if they are not in a marked lane space.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Hard
Am I just being thick, or is there some room for judgement?
The former.

ca_rumperee Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:42am
Thanks Nevada and BayState..
 
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Originally Posted by BayStateRef
A common misconception. The players need to be beyond the 3-point line and beyond the free throw line extended -- all the places they are allowed if they are not in a marked lane space.
... my edurcation continues!

So, while he is seated, coach could caucus with his players (who would need to be on the court above FT line extended and outside of 3-point line) during the 2 tries for the foul, and the 2 tries for the technical.

BayStateRef Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:43am
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Originally Posted by ca_rumperee
... my edurcation continues!

So, while he is seated, coach could caucus with his players (who would need to be on the court above FT line extended and outside of 3-point line) during the 2 tries for the foul, and the 2 tries for the technical.
Yes...as long as the players remain on the court.

jdw3018 Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:53am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
And that he is seated while speaking with them. ;)
The technical for not occupying the lane spaces would be a team technical and not charged indirectly to the head coach, wouldn't it? Therefore, he'd still be able to stand to talk to his team?

Fritz Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:55am
I appreciate Hard's support and interpretation, but after reviewing my case book and rules last night, I agree with other comments that my partner and I applies the "delay after TO" procedure instead of, as in our case, the coach simply refused to put his players on the court to begin play.

Live and learn......

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:56am
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Originally Posted by jdw3018
The technical for not occupying the lane spaces would be a team technical and not charged indirectly to the head coach, wouldn't it? Therefore, he'd still be able to stand to talk to his team?
Nevada?

Yoohoo, Nevada? :D

daveg144 Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:58am
I don't believe the coach needs to be seated during the shooting of the technical free throws while talking to his players. I don't have my rule book with me, but I think he can stand "during" the technical. Of course, he needs his seatbelt when play resumes.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:13am
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Originally Posted by jdw3018
The technical for not occupying the lane spaces would be a team technical and not charged indirectly to the head coach, wouldn't it? Therefore, he'd still be able to stand to talk to his team?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Nevada?

Yoohoo, Nevada? :D
http://www.ahapuzzles.com/homer_simpson_doh.jpg

Nevadaref Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:14am
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Originally Posted by daveg144
I don't believe the coach needs to be seated during the shooting of the technical free throws while talking to his players. I don't have my rule book with me, but I think he can stand "during" the technical. Of course, he needs his seatbelt when play resumes.
If the HC is charged either directly or indirectly with the T, then he/she needs to be seated before the ball becomes live on the first FT attempt following the T.

jdw3018 Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Whew...I always get anxious when I disagree with Nevada on a rules reference.

In fact, I was 99% sure I had probably missed an exception somewhere that made this an indirect on the coach! :D

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:26am
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Originally Posted by daveg144
I don't have my rule book with me, but I think he can stand "during" the technical. Of course, he needs his seatbelt when play resumes.
Nope. See rule 10-5NOTES1.

deecee Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:46am
nevada -- RE the T for delay returning inbounds -- I just feel a Technical is a very heavy handed penalty. violation is fair and reasonable -- like I said in the other post the FED screwed this up and I hope they change it if they want it called.


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