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One more attempt at justification:
The case book 9.1.2 sitA is for a delay following T.O., but is in reference to the rule 9-1-2 and the penalties for violation of 9-1-2. That rule and the penalties for violation do not reference any conditions as to whether it is after a T.O. or after a foul. It seems that if the defense's coach wants to buy a few seconds with a guaranteed-made free-throw, the rule doesn't say you have to T him/her. I still think, in reading both these situations and Fritz's account, that Fritz got it right - or at least he can say (based on the readings) that he didn't get it wrong. Am I just being thick, or is there some room for judgement? |
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Does this situation change depending on if the free throws are immediately after the foul, as described in the original post, or if the free throws follow a time out?
Edit: Sorry for the duplication. I didn't fully read Hard's post, but I'm still curious about the two situations. |
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We're discussing a play where the defensive players are at their bench and thus are not occupying the bottom two spaces. Iow, it's a different situation entirely. This situation is covered under case book play 10.1.5SitC(b); there's no formal scorebook warning involved. It's fill the spots immediately or get a "T". Apples and oranges. The different situations and how to handle each one can get confusing. The only option is to get into the books and memorize how to handle each one. |
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Is this another NFHS ruling that you refuse to enforce because you personally don't like it? Perhaps you administered the FT and called a delayed violation on the defensive team. I can't see why you would be okay with a T here, but not for a player failing to return to the court after being legally OOB. The only thing that is "really tough" here is to understand your thinking. |
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Sounds like we have a pretty clear cut case.
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Coach: "I don't think you are right, I'm not giving it to you" Me: Whack. Ironically, since we would be clearing the lane to shoot the original FT's, he could have his players over for a chat.... if he can keep his focus! But, riddle me this... If I now clear the lane for the original two shots, plus the technical foul shots.... the players need to be at mid court. If we are in the first half, with offending coach at the end where the FT's are being attempted, he is cut off from his players, right? No way he can caucus with them.. |
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Let him talk to his players, just make sure they are all outside the FT restrictions area.
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I actually was surprised that he didn't agree with those "other officials" that he asked who said to just call a violation or give a delay warning. So why does he care what is supported by the rules book in this instance, but not in the other? |
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