Mark T D'N:

Thank you for this excellent explanation. It hits exactly on my confusion, and makes the situation much more clear. I think you are saying that the best thing for the Offensive player to do, is to step forward into the contact so that the defender has committed a foul and can't gain the ball. This is how I have called this contact in the past, but I didn't realize that the "swimming" was the first illegal move.

Extrapolating a little, if a dribbler is driving down the lane, and a defender puts an arm out horizontally, we call a block if the dribbler runs through the arm, but if the dribbler puts up his off hand and pushes the defender's arm out of the way, is it now PC?

Yes.

What do you call when you get the offensive player using the swim move? Do you call it a hold? It's hard telling a coach you have a hold on his player when the defensive player is behind his player.

No matter who commits the foul using swim move (offense or defense), I use the illegal use of hands signal. When a player holds his/her arms parallel to the floor and impedes the movement of his/her opponent, that is holding, not blocking.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

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No matter who commits the foul using swim move (offense or defense), I use the illegal use of hands signal. When a player holds his/her arms parallel to the floor and impedes the movement of his/her opponent, that is holding, not blocking.

Then, no sarcasm intended, why wouldn't you use the holding signal?

Chuck

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Quote: No matter who commits the foul using swim move (offense or defense), I use the illegal use of hands signal. When a player holds his/her arms parallel to the floor and impedes the movement of his/her opponent, that is holding, not blocking. Then, no sarcasm intended, why wouldn't you use the holding signal? Chuck

I would and do use the holding signal, I thought my statement implied that I would.

I would and do use the holding signal, I thought my statement implied that I would. [/B][/QUOTE]

Nope. If you look above, your comment was that you use the illegal use of hands signal. That's why I was confused when you said it was a holding foul.

Chuck