Seatbelt on a T

[NM_Ref]

Is there any "exceptions" to the seatbelt rule after recieving a T? I know during timeouts it's ok to stand up. But say I call a foul and am going to report. The coach is standing...about 5 feet from his chair on the court...ok? Not ok?

[JRutledge]

Is the coach actually coaching or reacting to a good play? If the coach is yelling at you then that would be a problem.

Peace

[NM_Ref]

He was not reacting..in fact I warned him that he needed to sit down. To which he held up the stop sign.

He was coaching however...not reacting...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by NM_Ref

He was not reacting..in fact I warned him that he needed to sit down. To which he held up the stop sign.

He was coaching however...not reacting...

He held up the stop sign to you?!?!? Ouch! I hope you tossed him for that!

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

He held up the stop sign to you?!?!? Ouch! I hope you tossed him for that!

He'd have been using that to hail a taxi!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

He'd have been using that to hail a taxi!

LOL!!

[rainmaker]

By rule, it's another T and ejection. In real life, different refs will handle this kind of sitch in different ways. You need to weigh how others in your area do it so that you aren't the maverick whacker, but also not just taking any and all abuse. Also, is he yelling at you? That should greatly increase his chances of spending the rest of the game on the bus. Or is he just yelling at his players about the next play? Lots of refs will ignore this if he sits right back down, or they might just remind him about the seat belt. You have to sort of balance out how to fit into your association.

[blindzebra]

In general it depends on too many things to give a cut and dry answer.

Things I'd consider are:

How he/she got the seat belt...was it a direct T, or was it an indirect?

Are they coaching or cheering or are they talking at me or my partner(s)?

If they hadn't gotten it because of their own unsporting behavior or if they are coaching/cheering, I'd do just what I do to a wandering coach out of their box, "Coach where are you at?"

That usually gets that look down, oh crap reaction, with quick compliance.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

In general it depends on too many things to give a cut and dry answer.

Things I'd consider are:

How he/she got the seat belt...was it a direct T, or was it an indirect?

Are they coaching or cheering or are they talking at me or my partner(s)?

If they hadn't gotten it because of their own unsporting behavior or if they are coaching/cheering, I'd do just what I do to a wandering coach out of their box, "Coach where are you at?"

That usually gets that look down, oh crap reaction, with quick compliance.

Are you serious? You'd let a seatbelted coach wander around?

Lah me.....

Who cares how the coach got seatbelted? The only thing that matters is that he DID get seatbelted. Enforce the rule without making up lame excuses why you don't have to.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you serious? You'd let a seat belted coach wander around?

Lah me.....

Who cares how the coach got seat belted? The only thing that matters is that he DID get seat belted. Enforce the rule without making up lame excuses why you don't have to.

Someone needs new reading glasses, just where did I say I'd let a seat belted coach wander around?

I said IF the coach hadn't directly earned the seatbelt because of his own actions...like a bone head player dunks in warm-ups...I'd give him a, "Hey coach, where you at?" Just like I'd give a wandering coach outside his box who is coaching.

Seriously if you are going to criticize at least get it right.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I said IF the coach hadn't directly earned the seatbelt because of his own actions...like a bone head player dunks in warm-ups...I'd give him a, "Hey coach, where you at?" Just like I'd give a wandering coach outside his box who is coaching.

Seriously if you are going to criticize at least get it right.

So, you'd let him wander if he indirectly earned the seatbelt? That's OK with you?

In that case.....

Are you serious? You'd let a seatbelted coach wander around?

Lah me.....

Who cares HOW the coach got seatbelted? The only thing that matters is that he DID get seatbelted. Enforce the rule without making up lame excuses why you don't have to.

Is that any plainer?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

So, you'd let him wander if he indirectly earned the seatbelt? That's OK with you?

In that case.....

Are you serious? You'd let a seatbelted coach wander around?

Lah me.....

Who cares HOW the coach got seatbelted? The only thing that matters is that he DID get seatbelted. Enforce the rule without making up lame excuses why you don't have to.

Is that any plainer?

It's plain you can't ever admit when you are wrong.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Things I'd consider are:

How he/she got the seat belt...was it a direct T, or was it an indirect?

Are they coaching or cheering or are they talking at me or my partner(s)?

If they hadn't gotten it because of their own unsporting behavior or if they are coaching/cheering, I'd do just what I do to a wandering coach out of their box, "Coach where are you at?"

You tell me how I'm wrong, BZ. Those are your statements. A coach got seatbelted. You're trying to say that how the coach got the seatbelt should be a factor. You're also stating that you wouldn't nail a seatbelted coach for being up wandering around if that coach was coaching/cheering. Well, golly gee, I beg to differ with your philosophy.

A seatbelted coach is seatbelted. Period.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You tell me how I'm wrong, BZ. Those are your statements. A coach got seatbelted. You're trying to say that how the coach got the seatbelt should be a factor. You're also stating that you wouldn't nail a seatbelted coach for being up wandering around if that coach was coaching/cheering. Well, golly gee, I beg to differ with your philosophy.

A seatbelted coach is seatbelted. Period.

Standing yelling instructions is not wandering around.

Standing cheering a good play is not wandering around.

So please try to keep up.

If a coach is not causing an issue, I'm sure as hell am not going to be a plumber because they are "technically breaking the rules...not when a simple, "Hey coach," fixes the problem.

There's taking care of business and there's being an over-officious rule book ref...there's being a game manager and doing what's best for the game and that means TCB when it's unsporting and using common sense when it isn't.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NM_Ref

Is there any "exceptions" to the seatbelt rule after receiving a T?

After being seatbelted, a coach can legally stand:
1) during a timeout or intermission.
2) to spontaneously react to an outstanding play by a team member, but he/she must immediately sit back down.
3) To request a timeout or to signal one of his players to call a TO.
4) to replace a disqualified player.

That's it.

Rule 10-5NOTES1 is the rules reference.