Question from a 1st Year: Those other members of the officiating crew.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. If you don't know, the shot is worth only 2 points.

Yup, yup.

2. If I am in your position, I stop the game on the made goal and ask my partners for help. If none of them have it as a 3 for sure, it gets credited as a 2

No way! If you don't see it, then it's a 2. If your partner has it different, then he or she will stop play to correct it. If you don't hear a whistle from your partner, then he/she has no help for you anyway.

Gotta pregame this, obviously.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

Can we help a 1st year, Vanilla Ice lovin' brother out here?

Word.

Word?

Lame

(for Vanilla Ice that is... )

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

One play that has cropped up a couple of times for me that has caused me some grief is the fast break pull up 3 point shot. It has happened to me a couple of times...

I'm the Lead, down past the endline. Team A pass is stolen out near the 28 foot line by B1. Everybody on the court is now in transition, including me up the sideline. As I'm nearing the division line, B1 pulls up for a shot very near to 3-point line, directly between me and his basket.

I cannot see the front side of his shoe as it relates to the line. Both times that it has happened to me, my partner (who I am told is responsible for this call in this situation) has no indication for me. As I recall, they were looking elsewhere both times.

Anyways, shot is good! What the hell am I supposed to do? I do not know if this was a 3-point goal or not. One of the things on my pre-game audio that I listened to said, "Get the 3-point call right. Stop play if need be."

So, if I blow it dead I'm going to my partner. If he has nothing is there any way we can award 3 points? Can someone from the rest of our crew of officials help? Person running clock says "he was behind the line"?

Can we help a 1st year, Vanilla Ice lovin' brother out here?

Word.

I'll be echoing most of the other comments. The situation has to be pre-gamed.

I was taught to only stop the game when you're sure that your P has incorrectly ruled 2 or 3 points. IOW, stop the game:

• if he signals 2, and it's a 3, or
• if he signals 3 and it's a 2.

Furthermore, if this is a transition play, the new L has to understand and expect that you're not going to be in position. The athletes are often faster than the officials, and passing the ball moves up-court more quickly than an official running. Your P likely has few other players in his field of vision other than the ball carrier/shooter and the defender(s) playing defense. IMHO, s/he has to work this coverage into his/her game to be the best P s/he can be.

If you are able to get up-court somehow for proper coverage, signal the 3 if necessary, or the 2 if close.

In the end, if your P has no indication, and you do not know, as NV said, the made basket is worth 2 points.

I know it is not recommended, but I actually anticipate this play when a quick transition happens. Instead of running up the sideline as the new T, I swing a bit to the centre of the court, to get that angle needed to see the foot behind/beyond the 3-point line. You have to be quick to do this, though.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

So, if I blow it dead I'm going to my partner. If he has nothing is there any way we can award 3 points? Can someone from the rest of our crew of officials help? Person running clock says "he was behind the line"?

I'm curious to know if anyone here trusted their table crew enough on a situation like this, would you count this as a 3 if you and your partner's weren't sure, but the table person made this statement?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I'm curious to know if anyone here trusted their table crew enough on a situation like this, would you count this as a 3 if you and your partner's weren't sure, but the table person made this statement?

I have. In my only 2-person game last season, I had a play where I was T, A1 (visitors) dribbles across the top of the circle away from me to about the FT line extended. I "gave it up" to my partner, however my partner hadn't picked up the player. Sure enough, A1 shoots and makes it. I glance at my partner, and he does not show a 3-pt. attempt, so I turn to head down the court. Of course, visitor's bench says "That's a 3!". Since there wasn't a fast break, we killed it, got together and figured out neither one of us saw it, then turned to look at the table. The entire table told us that yes, A1 was behind the line and it was a 3. At this school, I trusted the table, so it was a no-brainer; counted the 3 and put the ball back in play right away.

The table is a part of the officiating crew, so I'm not afraid to use them occasionally.