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CLAY Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:20pm

Situation help needed
 
An intentional foul is called on team A. Team B then disrespects the official during the dead ball and gets a "T". Who gets the ball and where is the throw in?

Adam Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:23pm

High school or college rules?

JRutledge Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:24pm

In NF Rules you shoot everything in order. You shoot the intentional Foul with B at the FT line. Then you shoot the T with A at the FT line and you give the ball to A at the division line opposite the table.

In NCAA Rules, you shoot the T first and then put the ball back in with POI by having B shoot the intentional foul FTs and give the ball to B at the point where the foul took place.

Peace

Splute Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:25pm

Two shots for fouled Team B player. Then two shots for anyone from Team A and ball at division line. Lanes cleared in both.

ca_rumperee Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:25pm

My take...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CLAY
An intentional foul is called on team A. Team B then disrespects the official during the dead ball and gets a "T". Who gets the ball and where is the throw in?

Team B gets two tries for the intentional foul.
Team A gets two tries for the technical foul.
Team A inbounds at the division line.

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:30pm

Please note Splute's comment that the fouled player on team B must shoot his FTs but anyone on team A can shoot the T. In fact, two different players on team A can shoot the two shots for the T.

Oh yeah, if the intentional foul caused the team B player to be injured to the point where he had to leave the game, his sub shoots his FTs.

I think that just about covers it. Anything else anyone?

CLAY Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
In NF Rules you shoot everything in order. You shoot the intentional Foul with B at the FT line. Then you shoot the T with A at the FT line and you give the ball to A at the division line opposite the table.

Peace

Thank you for you quick response. That is excatly what we did. The head coach of the team the T was called was telling me we were wrong. I told him the rules state we must administer in the order in which the fouls were called. He insisted his team should have gotton the ball back after the the techinal fouls were shot. I told him had the T not been called he would have gotton the ball back.....He then said he would be calling the IHSA and tell them my rules knowledge was terrible. I told him that was fine and that it would not change the call nor would it change the fact he was not getting the ball back.....I did get a laugh out of him after that.......

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by CLAY
then said he would be calling the IHSA and tell them my rules knowledge was terrible.

Next time a coach challenges you on a rule, do what I do. Tell him you have a rulebook in your bag. Say "Let's look it up, coach. If you're right, I'll give you $100, but if I'm right, you have to wash my car, OK?"

I've never had one take me up on it. Too bad. My car could sure use it.

JRutledge Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLAY
Thank you for you quick response. That is excatly what we did. The head coach of the team the T was called was telling me we were wrong. I told him the rules state we must administer in the order in which the fouls were called. He insisted his team should have gotton the ball back after the the techinal fouls were shot. I told him had the T not been called he would have gotton the ball back.....He then said he would be calling the IHSA and tell them my rules knowledge was terrible. I told him that was fine and that it would not change the call nor would it change the fact he was not getting the ball back.....I did get a laugh out of him after that.......

I can tell you that Beth and Kurt will support you when you get it right. He is just going to look stupid in the end by trying to intimidate you.

Peace

JRutledge Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:40pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Next time a coach challenges you on a rule, do what I do. Tell him you have a rulebook in your bag. Say "Let's look it up, coach. If you're right, I'll give you $100, but if I'm right, you have to wash my car, OK?"

I've never had one take me up on it. Too bad. My car could sure use it.

I said the same thing to a coach but instead of the hundred dollars, I said he owed me a soda. I had a blarge situation and I showed the coach the rulebook after the game (he is a good guy) and he still owes me the soda. I worked for that coach last week and I just remember I forgot to bring up the soda he owes me. ;)

Peace

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I just remember I forgot to bring up the soda he owes me. ;)

You only want to "bring up the soda" if it involves the coach's shoes. ;)

Nevadaref Mon Jan 14, 2008 01:56pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
I had a blarge situation...

Ouch, but it does happen to even the best.

3SPORT Mon Jan 14, 2008 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Ouch, but it does happen to even the best.

Speaking about close personal friends and their stories from last nights meeting. :D

RSmith Mon Jan 14, 2008 03:09pm

So... on a T - if the designated shooter misses the 1st, the coach can designate another player to shoot the 2nd... I didn't know that...

Mark Padgett Mon Jan 14, 2008 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by RSmith
So... on a T - if the designated shooter misses the 1st, the coach can designate another player to shoot the 2nd... I didn't know that...


NF rules - yup, and it doesn't matter whether the first shot is made or missed. BTW - the team captain can designate the shooter(s) also.


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