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Double Foul: True or False?
I had a BJV game Friday that had an ugly moment in it. We're down by A's basket in the second quarter, and partner passes on a push by A1. Shot goes up, and A1 pushes B1 again, harder, under the basket (and in my primary). As I whistle that foul, B1 turns and throws a half-hearted punch toward A1, which he fails to land (A1 has backed away).
I ended up calling a double foul, but as I think about it, I probably should have called an unsporting T on B1 for the punch (attempt). I also realize that the punch attempt qualifies as fighting, and the T could have been flagrant. My judgment was (and remains) that the situation didn't warrant the flagrant T; if it makes any difference, I didn't have any problem with either of these two for the rest of the game. Questions: 1. What would you have called? 2. If I had called the T on B1 after the foul on A1, how would that be administered? That would have been a false double foul, correct? 3. What do you think about calling a flagrant T in this situation? In general? |
From you description, the players clearly did not foul each other at the same time. So, I wouldn't have a double foul.
If the "half-hearted punch" was with a closed fist, then I think you have to get it. If it was more of a push / shove, then I think you address it verbally, without a foul. |
I agree with what Bob said, with the possible exception that if the "punch" was more of a push, you could certainly call it an unsporting tech. If it wa a punch, however, you have to go with the flagrant T.
Either way, if the action by B1 was during a dead ball (can't tell if the try was still in flight in the OP) then it can only be a technical foul. If the ball was still live, then it would either be a common foul, an intentional foul, or a flagrant foul. |
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Because of that fact, whether the ball is live or dead doesn't have anything to do with this play. What jdw wrote is incorrect. Quote:
3. Strongly consider it. |
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Throwing a punch is fighting, regardless of whether there's contact or not. I have a personal foul on A1 and a flagrant technical foul for B1, along with an ejection and 4 game suspension under state association rules. |
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Now, it could be a flagrant technical, but it's still a technical. Notice he said in point 3 of his post that he's strongly consider it. |
Throwing a punch is a flagrant technical foul. There is no other option.
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That's what several of the posts said. And I've seen nobody post that if it was truly a punch it should be anything but a flagrant T. |
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Administer in the order they were committed. |
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I wrote the same fouls as you did, except without the word "flagrant" in front of technical because I believe that is for the official on the court to decide. He is the only one who can judge whether or not the act was flagrant. I wasn't there and thus can't say. I can only offer to "strongly consider it" as I wrote in my previous post. But if you want to take an attitude about it, I can quote the OP. Quote:
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A punch thrown is fighting, period. |
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And if you feel like the player that had the punch thrown in their direction helped instigate the situation, then you can get them too for fighting. You do not need to throw a punch to be accused of fighting. PEace |
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