Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

I've only been through the thread once, and I don't recall who was advocating what, but I believe that in these situations, it is up to the covering official to determine when the player has "inbounded" the ball. If, in the judgment of the official, the pass was made to "inbound" the ball, even if the player never got all the way out of bounds, it is a violation at that time. No need to wait for 5 seconds, or anything like that.

EDIT: Just went back and re-read btaylor64's first post in this thread. He couldn't be more wrong.

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

My point was that you should go back and read all the posts a little more carefully, and then put that in the context of what JR was saying. Is JR a little too blunt? Uhh...sometimes. Is it a "personal attack"? I didn't think so, given some of the things I've seen here over the years.

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

There's a difference between attacking someone's position, and attacking them personally. He attacked Ben personally on this one.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

To paraphrase a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, whose name I can't remember: I'll know a violation when I see it.MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced but I know it when I see it".