Explaining non calls out of your primary to coaches.
 

How do you guys handle coaches who are complaining about no calls that aren't in your primary? I don't want to ignore the coaches, but I also am not going to throw my partner under the bus.

Just looking for some help on how to handle this situation that comes up frequently.

"Coach, I was officiating the 4 guys on this side of the floor. I'm not looking over there."

"Coach, if there's a foul in that area, my partner will get it."

Coach, my partner will be over here in the minute you can ask them what they saw.

If you thought there was a foul: "You have a valid point, coach, I should have helped and didn't. My bad." "Hey, we just didn't get that one, myself included, and we heard you."

If you don't think there was a foul or are not sure, "He had a better look than you or I so i'm not sure." or "Yes, there was contact, we just didn't call a foul there."

BkTBallRef has good ones, too, another is "Gee, Coach, I really have no clue because I don't watch the ball all the time, right?"

Hope these help.

Hate this one. I would recommend never using this.

This is giving the coach permission to say to your partner next time he's close, "Hey, your partner says you missed one over there, what the hell are you guys watching?!?"

A simple, "He's got a much better angle, coach," or, "I was officiating these players here. You can ask him when he's over here, coach," work very well.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Coaches don't need permission. They're going to say what they want to anyway. Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake.

Maybe, but Oracle's advice will result in tire treads on your partner's uniform.

"Coach, my partner had a better angle than I did, you'll have to ask him next time you get a chance."

It also lets the coach know what you think of his particular angle.

Nothing wrong with admitting my mistake. I've done it plenty. But you're going to have to admit yours, it's not my place to.

The only time I'd say something like was stated above would be something in a "gray area" that I should have gotten because my partner couldn't see it. And then it would be, "Coach, I should have gone to get that because I'm sure my partner couldn't see it. I'll look for it next time."

Oh, and you're right about coaches not needing permission, but I'm not going to give them additional ammo for their guns.

I agree that admitting to your own mistakes is ok"my bad""sorry was watching off ball" or what ever but as a team don't we need to back each other on the floor?
If not my primary area and I didn't get a good look I will leave to my partners judgement -thats not to say that a-at the next stoppage I wouldn't ask what happened or b-if it was a foul that the whole stadium not just the coach saw then I would be possibly looking at a "help out" call.We still have a responsibility to the game and players to ensure good outcomes.

As an evaluator I will drop marks for calls out of area or that came from ball watching but give praise for help outs that managed the game and helped the officiating team

I am only going to talk to a coach when the ball is clearly dead or when I have a real opportunity. I am not talking to a coach about a play during live ball for the most part.

If the call was clearly not in my area or I did not get a good look at it, I will ask the coach to ask the official that was in the best position to make the call. And I will tell them I cannot comment on something I was not looking at or tell them what I was focused on.

Also I just explain what I saw if I feel the coach really is asking, not just commenting. For example I will not respond if a coach says, "That has got to be a foul."

I will admit that I have gone back and forth as to what I actually do and I have learned some things work and others do not work. And most of all how you deal with coaches is very personal and can change from one game to another.

Peace

Yup, I hear you. I was talking to a varsity boys coach on Saturday night while coming up as the trail and all of a sudden one of his defenders slid over and blocked the point guard coming up the floor. I had to grab for my whistle, shove it in my mouth, and call the foul.

I should've waited for the dead ball to chat.

Everyone has their own style. Remember, I'd only use that IF there was substantial contact and believe something probably should have been called. When that happens, we are all responsible. And that does happen at every level. Sometimes we have no explanation just like players miss wide-open layins. It's OK to admit it.

I don't like to say "he had a better angle/look" or "you'll have to ask him", because on substantial contact, WE need to have some whistle. I feel that those kinds of remarks can be construed as "he missed it and I'm not getting involved". I'd rather remain completely silent on those occasions than go there. I don't feel comfortable with that; it feels like a U2 move. But I do understand that many do this, and I have no issue with it. It's not wrong.

You can make the argument that the coach will then go after the guy. My experience has been that when I make a statement like that, it ends there, because the coach knows he was heard, and it is acknowledged that WE just didn't have a whistle. Cannot do it more than once or twice in a game, but if more than that is missed, you just have to be aggressive out of your area and take care of business, or go silent.

And how would you know if that happened out of your area? :confused:

Old School philosophy.

Sounds more like a U99 philosophy to me. :rolleyes: Let me ask you this, oh Oracle-ish one...who is watching the players in your area while you and the coach are watching the ball in your parnter's area?

Come on, Mark. You officiate in your primary, but when you have to help get something outside of your primary, you do so. I can tell you every time there is a big collision or substantial contact during a game, because that can escalate and cause problems. And if I don't have a whistle, and nobody else does, I can freely admit to someone that there was a big collision and for whatever reason we didn't get anything. It happens. However, I love it when my partners pick up something that I should have, but just did not pull the trigger. That's teamwork and good for everyone.

Helluva idea. "Yes, coach, my partner surely did screw up." Yup, helluva idea.

Lah me. :rolleyes:

Ever heard of <b>incidental</b> contact? Ever thought that your partner might have heard of <b>incidental</b> contact?

Substantial contact does not necessarily mean that a foul has occurred.

Yeah, because my assignor really likes his Rs to ball-watch and throw partners under the bus.

That's what is holding me back...:D

But Jurassic, if you want to be an R, you need to pay attention to contact all over the court and make sure you let the coach know your partner missed calls. It makes the coaches like you more.

Go back and actually read. Take a breath. Incidental contact? Yup, go back and read my original post. I'll never leave my area on incidental contact. "Yes, there was contact. We just did not have a whistle on that one." Pretty straight forward.

No, but if you want to be a good official, you need to be aware of what is occurring during the game and work together with your partners to maintain its integrity. When crews miss big calls, it hurts all the officials, the coaches, and the players. I understand and accept that everybody misses calls. It's part of the game. No need to run and hide from it. It makes coaches and players respect you more, and makes the game better.

Take a breath yourself. Then ask yourself what if your partner ruled incidental contact on a trainwreck in <b>HIS</b> primary?

What makes you think that your judgment is better than your partner's? Especially on a call in which he should have a better view?

Good luck with your philosophy. May I suggest that before applying it, you pick the partner that you want to try it out on <b>very</b> carefully.

I use, "yeah -- he kicked the s*** out of that one. Remember that his name is Tom and I'm Bob when you do the ratings."

It's the same point as Oracle, but makes sure the coach won't miss it.

PS I'm now waiting to see how long it takes for a mod to delete this post. In fact, this is exactly the same error that I corrected for that other poster.

This is exactly how I handle it.

I hope not. I hope that you speak better than that. ;)

About 50 minutes (although I edited it instead of deleting it). Sorry that I wasn't here sooner.

Now knock it the **** off.

Darn, I missed it...

I agree. By all means, if I kick a mugging, please somebody on my crew come get it. And that's exactly what I pregame. If you come into somebody's area, please let it be a mugging; and let's not miss any muggings tonight.

They are you he thought they are!!! :D

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So you are saying that it is no longer acceptable to correct the grammar or spelling used in a post made by someone else?
Since when did that become a rule of this forum? :eek:

I have no history with the particular poster that I quoted that time, and there is no reason to think that a problem would occur, yet you edited out the grammar correction anyway. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/censored.gif

I truly don't understand why. :confused:

If you are going to claim that the post didn't add materially to the discussion in the thread, that's fine, but then I suggest that you spend a few hours combing the posting history of Mark Padgett and wear out your delete button. I'm only asking that you treat my posts the same way that you treat those of everyone else. Right now you aren't doing that, instead you are singling out my posts for deletion while leaving those of others who post nonsense (Padgett) or spelling or grammar corrections (rainmaker) unedited. IMO that's unprofessional. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...thumbsdown.gif

Please stop.
mick

That's exactly what I want from Bob.

Someone doesn't have <s>their</s> his "listening ears" on. :)

BTW, I suspect Bob will, when you do. ;)

Now that's funny. :D

You were smart to use the word "listening" versus "rabbit"...lol

Geeze I sure hope that's what he's saying.

Down The Middle ....
 

I'm a pretty good speller, and when I'm not, I use a well worn dictionery. I'm not a very good typist. Whenever a make a post on this Forum, I'm always afraid that one of the Forum spellcheckers, or grammar checkers, will catch me in the act of "poor spelling", or "poor grammar", and make me look foolish. For this reason, I wish those spellcheckers, and grammar checkers, would stop.

I'm old, and I'm old-fashioned. I don't like it when posters use shortcuts, like those my children use when they email me; numbers for letters (4 for for), all small letters, no punctiation, acronyms (LOL), etc. For this reason, I would like the Forum spellcheckers, and grammar checkers, to keep up the good work.

As my best friend says, "Down the middle lies the virtue".

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Go to your room.