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bob jenkins Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
What about failure to occupy the assigned bench, could you get them for that? Team tech?
The team was ocupying the assigned bench. This T is for trying to sit other than where assigned during the game.

I have never and would never issue a T in the OP (assuming the team otherwise behaved during the trek to the locker room).

truerookie Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:47pm
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Originally Posted by jdw3018
You're posting that on the wrong thread, truerookie. This one is just asking if there should be a T because team B left before the FTs...
My bad; your fault. You should have told me sooner. :)

Since I'm here No T.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:48pm
Rule 10-4-4.

What do you people intend to do if someone on team A gets a technical foul before A1's FT's are shot? Who are you going to get to shoot the FT's for the "T" if team B is in the dressing room?

Keep both teams on the court in their bench areas until the half is over.

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:53pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Rule 10-4-4.

What do you people intend to do if someone on team A gets a technical foul before A1's FT's are shot? Who are you going to get to shoot the FT's for the "T" if team B is in the dressing room?

Keep both teams on the court in their bench areas until the half is over.
I agree TOTALLY that we need to keep the players/coaches on the floor until the throws are over. The OP said they left and wanted to know if it warranted a "T".

To answer your question if for some reason "A" gets a "T" before their last free throw then I would send game management back to get the team and bring them back out to shoot the "T" penalty.

MJT Tue Jan 08, 2008 02:55pm
He let them go to the LR, shot the FT's with the lane cleared, which is what I would have done as well. He only asked cuz the coach of the team shooting the FT's was going nuts saying they couldn't leave the floor.

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:01pm
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Originally Posted by MJT
He let them go to the LR, shot the FT's with the lane cleared, which is what I would have done as well. He only asked cuz the coach of the team shooting the FT's was going nuts saying they couldn't leave the floor.
In all seriousness the team shouldn't be able to leave the floor without one of the officials noticing that they are leaving.

If you notice the team is starting to leave then don't admin. the throw, stop the team and bring them back. Better yet the reporting official could report the foul and quickly explain to the offending team's coach that his players must stay on the floor as the quarter won't be over until after the FT's.

Jurassic Referee Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
In all seriousness the team shouldn't be able to leave the floor without one of the officials noticing that they are leaving.

If you notice the team is starting to leave then don't admin. the throw, stop the team and bring them back. Better yet the reporting official could report the foul and quickly explain to the offending team's coach that his players must stay on the floor as the quarter won't be over until after the FT's.
Yup.

kbilla Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:07pm
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
I suppose you could argue that you could use that penalty for this...I wouldn't since them leaving didn't gain them an advantage or delay the game in any way.

Besides I think it would be a stretch since they occupied the right bench the entire half. IMHO this penalty is intended for a team who doesn't want to occupy its assigned bench (say @ a tournament) and occupies a bench that isn't his/hers.
Hey I agree I'm probably not calling it either, I'm just responding to "what COULD you do"...

Gimlet25id Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:09pm
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Originally Posted by kbilla
Hey I agree I'm probably not calling it either, I'm just responding to "what COULD you do"...
I'm thinking that penalty is for a team refusing to occupy their assigned bench to start the game.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 08, 2008 03:50pm
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Originally Posted by MJT
Here is the situation told to me by a friend of mine. With time running out in the first half player A1 heaves a ¾ court shot. Player B1 whacks A1 in the arm as he is launching his 2 handed heave. Time expires before the clock is stopped. Coach of B takes all his players to the locker room.

Is it fine for B to leave the court and go to the LR before the FT's are shot or do they need to stay on the floor until the FT's have been shot? There is no time left, so nothing will occur after the FT's but the half time will begin. If we have a T, do we have one, or one for each of the 5 players who left the floor?
As others, particularly JR, have written, the opponent should stay. However, it's not something that I would make a big deal out about.

If someone wanted a provision in the rules under which to assess a technical foul in such a situation, then look at 10-4-4. The coach is definitely out of the coaching box and the team members certainly have stood up in the bench area (and left).


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