Team foul but ? which player...

[Coltdoggs]

I had a sitch in one of my games Saturday that I am curious about...

Shooting foul: As I move off baseline to report, 32 walks in front of me....I report red 32, give illiegal hands signal for the hit on the arm ...then look back and realize that I think I said the wrong number, turned to look at both players and still think it was red 35....I then changed my call to the table.

Table clock operator (parent from red team) tells me 35 was on the other side of the lane and couldn't have made the shooting foul, it was 32. I said, no 35, he is the one that hit #4 on the arm during the shot....He insists it was 32 and that I was absolutely wrong.

Now I'm a little concerned but I was sure it was 35 and I accidentally said 32 cause he walked in front of me.....So I confer with my partners about what I saw, reported and what the table gave me as info....I told them I was sure it was 35 but wanted to be sure ...they didn't have anything to offer to contradict what I saw and they said they were fine with my call...

After the game, another official tells me if this ever happens and the official is not sure that you can mark it as a team foul and not charge a player.....Is this correct and is there any provision for it in the case book?

I ask because it was 35's 5th foul during a very good, close game. I wanted to get clear on handling that. Perhaps I was wrong...it's not a big deal, but I want to get things correct......Red won the game in OT by the way...

[blindzebra]

It has to be charged to someone.

If all else fails go into the lane and ask, "Who fouled him?"

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It has to be charged to someone.

If all else fails go into the lane and ask, "Who fouled him?"

If I screw up, I'm giving a team foul. Although, I've been involved in a who committed the foul scenario you mentioned.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by fullor30

If I screw up, I'm giving a team foul. Although, I've been involved in a who committed the foul scenario you mentioned.

There's no provision for just giving a team foul...sombody has to get it.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

There's no provision for just giving a team foul...sombody has to get it.

I'm doing a Varsity game, somebody is getting the foul. Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, sixth grade girls game, I may give a team foul, and by the post I'm sure it was a kids game.

I'm aware there is no provision for a 'team' foul.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by fullor30

I'm doing a Varsity game, somebody is getting the foul. Our Lady of Perpetual Motion, sixth grade girls game, I may give a team foul, and by the post I'm sure it was a kids game.

I'm aware there is no provision for a 'team' foul.

This is why officials find themselves in trouble.

So the 6th grade girls don't deserve you doing it right?

Those games are not throw away games, in fact they may be the most useful games you will work. Screwy plays, tons of call selection choices, less physically taxing so you can work on using your off hand on dead ball signals and violation calls, crisp reporting, etc...

I absolutely despise the "it was just a kids game" attitude and excuse...do it right or don't do it at all.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

I had a sitch in one of my games Saturday that I am curious about...

Shooting foul: As I move off baseline to report, 32 walks in front of me....I report red 32, give illiegal hands signal for the hit on the arm ...then look back and realize that I think I said the wrong number, turned to look at both players and still think it was red 35....I then changed my call to the table.

Table clock operator (parent from red team) tells me 35 was on the other side of the lane and couldn't have made the shooting foul, it was 32. I said, no 35, he is the one that hit #4 on the arm during the shot....He insists it was 32 and that I was absolutely wrong.

Now I'm a little concerned but I was sure it was 35 and I accidentally said 32 cause he walked in front of me.....So I confer with my partners about what I saw, reported and what the table gave me as info....I told them I was sure it was 35 but wanted to be sure ...they didn't have anything to offer to contradict what I saw and they said they were fine with my call...

After the game, another official tells me if this ever happens and the official is not sure that you can mark it as a team foul and not charge a player.....Is this correct and is there any provision for it in the case book?

I ask because it was 35's 5th foul during a very good, close game. I wanted to get clear on handling that. Perhaps I was wrong...it's not a big deal, but I want to get things correct......Red won the game in OT by the way...

What you learned: never, ever leave the spot of the foul without knowing who the foul is on.

Never.

While you're at it always know who will be shooting any free throws.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

What you learned: never, ever leave the spot of the foul without knowing who the foul is on.

Never.

While you're at it always know who will be shooting any free throws.

Never leave the spot without... one problem I have is, ok i've got 44 red with the foul. 31 White is my shooter... turn to the table... 31, 31? Wait who on red?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

Never leave the spot without... one problem I have is, ok i've got 44 red with the foul. 31 White is my shooter... turn to the table... 31, 31? Wait who on red?

Vocalize.

Not only do you pass the info onto your partner(s) and players but by doing so you get it into your brain.

44 red hold, 31 white you are shooting...now go to the table.

[Back In The Saddle]

I know some officials who make a fraction out of the two numbers. For some reason it's easier to keep a fraction in their minds than two separate numbers.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I know some officials who make a fraction out of the two numbers. For some reason it's easier to keep a fraction in their minds than two separate numbers.

That's what my mentor always told me he did. But, it never worked for me.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Vocalize.

Not only do you pass the info onto your partner(s) and players but by doing so you get it into your brain.

44 red hold, 31 white you are shooting...now go to the table.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Agree 100%. Tell yourself who committed the foul and tell your partner(s) who is shooting. EVERY TIME!!!