OOPS! 5 fouls on player who is shooting free throws
 

My partner last night told me about a situation that happened to her. Player from team B fouls a player from team A. It is the players 5th foul but the player that fouled is allowed to remain in the game. Team A is not in the bonus yet so they inbound the ball, take a shot attempt which is rebounded by team B. Team B goes down court to their end and the player who has 5 fouls is fouled in the act oof shooting. After the player shoots and makes the first of 2 free throws the table informs the officials that that player should not be in the game. What would you do?

Disqualified ???
 

Count the free throw.
Inform the head coach that the player has fouled out.
Inform the player that he/she has fouled out.
Inform timer to set clock for 20 seconds.
Warning horn sounds with 15 seconds remaining.
Subsitute for disqualified player reports to table.
Substitute is beckoned onto the court.
Subsitute shoots second free throw with players lined up along the lane lines.
Play ball.

You forgot step 10: ask the scorer to let you know when anyone has 4 fouls. :eek: :p :cool: :eek: (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Especially if it is a **star** player, so you can "make sure his fifth is not a cheap one."

Do you have the timer begin the 20-second count after you tell the head coach, or after you tell the player?

Yup - if a star player does sumthin' really dumb - no need to pass on it.

Citatations Anyone
 

Good question. Citatations anyone???

Coach
Timer
Player

Manual - #232 (a)

Since the 20 seconds is to replace a disqualified player and a player is not disqualified until the coach is notified, the clock should begin with the notification of the coach.

While I would never ask the scorer to tell me about a 4th foul, I would be aware of it and then this whole mess wouldn't have happened, now would it - which was the point several of us were trying to get thru to some of the more thick-headed people around here.

Sorry - just couldn't resist. :cool:

How are you aware that a player has 4 fouls?

I only asked because BillyMac does not seem to agree, or there is a small oversight in his steps.

I had this play.
 

At the point that the referees are informed, ref need to inform coach that the player has five and is disqualified. Replacement player shoots remaining FT. All results to that point stand.

Scoreboard...PA announcer...coach yelling "That's 4, Steve. Be careful." Etc., etc...

Player fouls / announcers??? We're not that teknickle up here. :p

Being told a player had four fouls.
 

I have a question for all of you officials who want the Scorer to tell you when a player has four fouls. Where in the Rules, Casebook (Approved Rulings), Officials Manual, etc. where this is required or even recommended? You cannot tell me because you will not find that sort of nonsense anywhere.

Officiate the ENTIRE game. Yes, we has officials do change how we officiate the end of a blow out as oppposed to a close game. But, we do not worry about whether a player has four fouls or not. I do not want to hear anything about "cheap" fouls being called against a player with four fouls. An official's criteria should be is this a foul per the game's end of game situation. It is just nonsense that officials do not need to know or should care about knowing.

Furthermore, a coach knows (or should at least know) when one of his players has four fouls, and it is his decision whether or not to leave said player in the game with four fouls.

MTD, Sr.

Also, what if the scorer refuses? "No, that is not listed as one of my duties and I feel that my giving you that information could be judged to be improper by either side." Then what?

The referee gets to designate the official scorer. He can simply replace the person with someone who will comply with the desired instruction.

Of course, this would lead us into a discussion of whether it is proper to replace a table person when they aren't failing to do any of their appointed duties.

We ask scorers to do many things that are not listed specifically in the rulebook. I know the scorer in most places tells the teams on their own how many timeouts are left and I do not see anyone getting their panties in a bunch over that. On Saturday I was doing a game that was on live TV and the scorer was helping us with the media timeouts by standing. I do not see that in the rulebook either. You cannot make everything about the rulebook because we do a lot of accepted things that are explicit in the rulebook.

Now would I ever tell a scorer to tell me this? No. I just think we cannot always talk about what the rulebook says or does not say or we would never do a lot of things as an official.

Peace