Coltdoggs Did he start a dribble before the other knee hit the floor? Ok, I don't know if that makes a diff but I thought I'd muddy the H20! 😀
tjones1 Coltdoggs wroteDid he start a dribble before the other knee hit the floor? Ok, I don't know if that makes a diff but I thought I'd muddy the H20! 😃 If he did, then it'd be legal. 4.44.5 Sit D.
tjones1 Well, talking to a few people and what not. I think Bob is saying he's already on the floor - thus, no violation. Still a little rusty on this one, but I'll come around! 🙂
PSidbury PSidbury wroteWhat if the player has possession of ball with both knees on floor and pivots on one knee while sliding (it does not leave contact with the floor) the other knee...? The player pivoting on the knee is not attempting to get up, just attempting to pivot for a passing opportunity. Per 4-44-5b, it sounds legal to me. Feedback appreciated. Thanks, Paul
Camron Rust tjchamp wrotePlayer a obtains possession of the ball with one knew on the floor. He then puts the other knee on the floor. Is this travel? Travel. Traveling: ART. 5 . . . A player holding the ball: a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot. b. After gaining possession while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand. If that knee is not in contact with the floor when they gain control of the ball, they may not touch it to the floor. Basically, if anything other than a hand/foot makes contact with the floor while the player is holding the ball, it is a travel.
tjchamp Camron Rust wroteTravel. Traveling: ART. 5 . . . A player holding the ball: a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot. b. After gaining possession while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand. If that knee is not in contact with the floor when they gain control of the ball, they may not touch it to the floor. Basically, if anything other than a hand/foot makes contact with the floor while the player is holding the ball, it is a travel. Maybe I'm not thinking this through enough. For most, if not all, of the rules in the book, if they are delineated out, they are "or" statements. So, in this case we would only be looking at 4.44.5.b. And that only references that the player may not attempt to get up or stand.
bob jenkins Camron Rust wroteTravel. Traveling: ART. 5 . . . A player holding the ball: a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot. b. After gaining possession while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand. If that knee is not in contact with the floor when they gain control of the ball, they may not touch it to the floor. Basically, if anything other than a hand/foot makes contact with the floor while the player is holding the ball, it is a travel. A1 dives on the ball and slides forward on his stomach, with his legs in the air. After coming to a stop, he drops his legs to the floor. Travel?
rockyroad bob jenkins wroteA1 dives on the ball and slides forward on his stomach, with his legs in the air. After coming to a stop, he drops his legs to the floor. Travel? Nope. Flagrant foul - eject him from the game. There is absolutely NO excuse for diving on the defenseless ball like that.:mad:
footlocker overthinking this a bit? he's on the ground, didn't get up. not a travel. trying to use the rulebook to support putting air in your whistle is not good srevice to the game. there's no reason to blow a whistle here.
tjones1 footlocker wroteoverthinking this a bit? he's on the ground, didn't get up. not a travel. trying to use the rulebook to support putting air in your whistle is not good srevice to the game. there's no reason to blow a whistle here. I think you're misunderstanding what's going on. We are simply trying to use the rulebook to help us understand the correct call so we get it right. Bob, I see your point in the situation you posted. But, I'm still a little rusty on this one...coming around though - slow but sure! 😉