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Slapping the Backboard
I had a play where A1 was going in for a layup. B1 was chasing. A1 faked the shot B1 went up and slapped the backboard, he was initially trying to block a shot but at the time of him hitting the backboard there was no shot and the ball was still in the hands of A1. Then A1 shot and made the basket. T or no T? I did not T B1.:confused:
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Pump fake, B1 goes up and slaps the backboard unecessarily. If there's no shot, there's no block attempt. 2nd half, same game, A1 drives baseline, reverse layup. B1 flies in and slaps the other side of the backboard. Second T. Never made that call in my life and I get it twice in one game. |
I dont think OP's initial situation is necessarily a T (not without more information anyway).
10-3-5(b): It is a player technical to ... "illegally contact the backboard/ring by ... intentionally slapping or striking the backboard or causing the ring to vibrate while a try or tap is in flight or is touching the backboard or is in the basket or cylinder above the basket." Of course, you also have (a) which mentions touching the board to get an advantage. If you think B1 hit the board to vibrate it to make it harder for A1 to make the shot--even though there was as of yet no shot--that could be a T. But in cases of accidental contact from a missed block--which is what the OP's situation may include--there is a case play that helps us. The caseplay at 10.3.5 isnt right on point but it is pretty close. Situation (a) deals with the accidental striking of the backboard during a missed block on a shot and says the contact with the backboard is legal and is not a T. The comment further states: "The purpose of the rule is to penalize intentional contact with the backboard while a shot or try is involved or placing a hand on the backboard to gain an advantage." So in the OP's situation, there was no try at the time of the slap. So there may not be a T here under (b) as the rule only addresses contacting the backboard while a try is in flight or the ball is on the backboard, rim or basket; and (a) requires an intent to gain an advantage. If this was a backboard whack from a good fake by A1 and the contact by B1 was not done with the intent to gain an advantage, its not a T. However, that same comment for 10-3-5 goes on to say: "A player who strikes either backboard so forcefully it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player or means of venting frustration may be assessed a technical foul per rule 10-3-7." So back to the OP's situation, if it is a slap of the board because the guy got faked out, that is no T if it is accidental. Just contacting the backboard is not a T. However, if it was frustration or showing off, it is a T per 10-3-7 as the comment to the caseplay notes. Seems to me the OP's situation is not a T and is more like caseplay 10.3.5(a). If 10.3.5(a) is NOT a T (which the casebook says it isnt) then the OP's situation--which doesnt even involve a try at the time of the contact--is likely also not a T, unless the other factors are present as noted in the Comment (so forceful it cant be ignored, venting frustration or drawing attention to the player). Of course, I'd have to be there or have more info. If you want to post what you thought the intent was, that could be helpful. |
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Second one is a great T. First one might be worth some discussion, just for illustration of course (Obviously it is a good T, not criticizing, just noting for discussion). Your call might even be a good example of 10-3-5(a) where he is trying to hit the board not just as a failed block but to hinder the subsequent shot. As noted in the rules, slapping the board when a try is not in flight is not an automatic T unless it deserves to be penalized under 10-3-5(a) or 10-3-7 (as detailed in the note to caseplay 10.3.5). Sounds like the player in your case on the first board slap was showing off or trying to hinder the upcoming shot, which is a good T either way. Again, not criticizing you, simply noting for discussion so that newbies here dont think all board slaps are Ts. :) In fact, I hope that people take from this thread that a good hard board slap can be a real easy T--under 10-3-7, as well as under 10-3-5(a) or (b). If you have good leapers in an upcoming game and expect some serious shot blocking, younger guys might want to pregame this rule. Sorry you got two of those in one game. Yikes. |
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As already cited from casebook play 10.3.5--<i>"A player who strikes either backboard <b>so forcefully it can't be ignored</b> because it is an attempt to to draw attention to the player, or as a means of venting of venting frustration <b>may</b> be issued a technical foul pursuant to Rule 10-3-7."</i> The key words are "so forcefully it can't be ignored" and "may". It's always a judgment call. However, when there's a situation like this where I can't think of any good reason <b>why</b> the player is whacking the board, other than what is stated in the case play, I'd sureasheck say a "T" is warranted. |
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Have you actually read what you wrote? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't... so it could be...but perhaps not... Is there any conclusion in there at all? :D |
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Judgment call. If the hand is just a follow-through on the momentum of being faked out, and it's not a deliberate slap <i>per se</i>, then no "T" imo. |
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I don't see this, so I have to assume officials before me have T'd the behavior. :)
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I'd have a T in the original play 99.5% of the time. |
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I'm glad to hear your assessment of varsity abilities. As I'm going to be doing more boys' games (sooner or later), I want to have a handle on what's generally done and not done, possible and not possible, called and not called. If I do some of the theoretical groundwork now, it increases my learning curve. Another question, do you (or any other forum people) ever interpret a board slap as an attempt to maintain balance or to control the body and be safe? I've seen times in college ball on TV where it looked like the player was simply trying to steady or "right" themselves, usually on a block attempt where they missed the ball, but sometimes just a high flying defensive maneuver that goes awry. Generally, these don't seem so much like slaps, so perhaps that's the category. Just wondering. |
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(although an inappropriate touch can get you a slap, or so I've heard. ;) ) |
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