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Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 07:35pm

Nevada @ North Carolina
 
So far NV has been competitive and there have been some interesting decisions.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 07:36pm

I love the announcers comments and Coach Williams's reaction on McGee sticking his hand up through the basket and NOT touching the ball while the ball was well above the basket.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 27, 2007 07:39pm

Yep, thought it was classic "announcer-idiocy."

Heh. Glad the officials got that one right - from the wide angle in live action it looked funny and like he may have touched the ball.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 07:46pm

Fastest point guard in the country!

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 07:54pm

The last 2 minutes of the first half was a disaster for NV. The lead should be about half of what it is.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:09pm

An 11-0 run to start the 2nd half ends it. All that is left is to see if Carolina covers the 22pt spread.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:09pm

The first two minutes of the 2nd half haven't been stellar either.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:09pm

Intentional foul for grabbing a jersey from behind to prevent a fast break.
Excellent call.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:22pm

And the game is now officially out of range and over......for Nev.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:27pm

What do you think of NC's full court press up by 31? And three consecutive steals....

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:28pm

A Carolina kid twisted his knee after making a good hustle play. That sucks.
I hope that he isn't seriously injured.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:29pm

Hopefully Frasor is ok and it looks worse than it is....

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar
What do you think of NC's full court press up by 31? And three consecutive steals....

I think that NV needs the work on handling the pressure.

The poor 3pt shooting hasn't helped either.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:32pm

Too much talent. David hung with Goliath for a while......

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar
What do you think of NC's full court press up by 31? And three consecutive steals....

I think this is D-1 basketball. You need to come to play. Nobody is trying to embarass anyone. Nevada's coach is a friend and coached at KU with Williams. Roy will empty the bench shortly.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Roy will empty the bench shortly.

Williams is a class act!

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:44pm

I'm quite sure Mark Fox thinks so whether you do or not.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I think this is D-1 basketball. You need to come to play. Nobody is trying to embarass anyone. Nevada's coach is a friend and coached at KU with Williams. Roy will empty the bench shortly.

Mark Fox has never coached with Roy Williams.

And Roy empties the bench as late or later than anyone else in the game. But it's college basketball, and I have no problem with it.

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I'm quite sure Mark Fox thinks so whether you do or not.

You read too much into my post - there was NO sarcasm there. I like Williams....and anyone else who consistantly beats DUKE! :)

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
I'm quite sure Mark Fox thinks so whether you do or not.

From today's local paper:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...712270348/1018
"This one is different for Mark Fox, because it reaches deep into his coaching roots. When Tar Heels' coach Roy Williams was at Kansas, he had Fox looking over his shoulder for a season.
Fox was working on his master's degree at Kansas when he observed Williams' program during the 1992-93 season.
"I had such a great respect for Coach Smith. When I was a kid I knew he grew up in Kansas and had gone to KU and that he had become the greatest coach of all time," Fox said. "When I decided to get my master's I knew Coach Williams had learned everything from Coach Smith. I just felt that was the place I could really go and learn. Coach (Williams) was generous enough to let me come and learn.
"I think it really helped shape how I try to operate today. Carolina basketball and then Kansas basketball modeled after it were as great of programs as you could have so I thought that's a model I would like to recreate. It (that season) shaped me in many ways."
Fox, who had been an assistant at Washington before going to work on his degree, watched every practice and home game. Beyond that, he spent countless hours talking to Williams' assistants, who included current North Carolina assistant Joe Holladay."

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:50pm

Fox spent the 93-94 season with Roy Williams at Kansas. I listened to both coaches discuss it on the Tar Heel Sports Radio Network before the game.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar
You read too much into my post - there was NO sarcasm there. I like Williams....and anyone else who consistantly beats DUKE! :)

My mistake. Came across that way.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018
Mark Fox has never coached with Roy Williams.

Technically, he was not on the staff, but he was certainly involved with the program. See my post above.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Fox spent the 93-94 season with Roy Williams at Kansas. I listened to both coaches discuss it on the Tar Heel Sports Radio Network before the game.

Huh, I didn't know that. Must have been a grad asst as it wasn't on the coaching bio I looked up. Sorry about that. He was an assistant for several years under Tom Asbury at Kansas State, so I figured maybe there was some confusion.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 27, 2007 08:59pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Technically, he was not on the staff, but he was certainly involved with the program. See my post above.

Looks like he was there during the one-year gap on his coaching resume between Washington and Kansas State. Interesting...

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018
Huh, I didn't know that. Must have been a grad asst as it wasn't on the coaching bio I looked up. Sorry about that. He was an assistant for several years under Tom Asbury at Kansas State, so I figured maybe there was some confusion.

It looks as if the local sportswriter got the year wrong, not surprising. He is known for mistakes. But the truth is that Fox was never a coach of any kind at Kansas. Not an asst coach, not a grad asst. He was just an observer of the program.

From nevadawolfpack.com:

Fox began his coaching career as a graduate assistant coach and then as a full-time assistant at the University of Washington (1991-93) where he was on the same staff as former Nevada head coach Trent Johnson. Following his two-year stint with the Huskies, Fox spent six seasons (1994-2000) as an assistant coach at Kansas State University under Tom Asbury before joining the Wolf Pack staff in August of 2000. While a member of the Wildcat coaching staff, he helped guide Kansas State to an NCAA Tournament invitation in 1996 and two appearances in the National Invitation Tournament (1998 and 1999). The Wildcats led the nation in field-goal percentage defense in 1999 and were tops in the Big 12 Conference in that category from 1996-99. Fox spent the 1993-94 season observing then Kansas head coach Roy Williams and the Jayhawk program while completing coursework on his master's degree.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:04pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
Huh, I didn't know that. Must have been a grad asst as it wasn't on the coaching bio I looked up. Sorry about that. He was an assistant for several years under Tom Asbury at Kansas State, so I figured maybe there was some confusion.

He was a graduate assistant. At least that's how Fox and Williams both described it.

If I post it about Carolina basketball, you can believe it. :)

Jurassic Referee Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:05pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
Williams is a class act!

What class? Second? Third?

I haven't pissed anybody off for at least an hour. I was going into withdrawal.:D

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef
He was a graduate assistant. At least that's how Fox and Williams both described it.

If I post it about Carolina basketball, you can believe it. :)

Well, in this case, that simply isn't true. :D

grunewar Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:08pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
What class? Second? Third?

I haven't pissed anybody off for at least an hour. I was going into withdrawal.:D

I ain't biting! Someone will be along shortly I'm sure!! :p

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:10pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Well, in this case, that simply isn't true. :D

Excuse me. :confused:

Nevadaref Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:13pm

You made the mistake of believing what you heard on the radio. Look at the official bio that I posted.

He may have undertaken many of the duties of a graduate asst, and the two of them may now refer to his role back then as that of a one, but officially he was not.

THE FILE ON FOX

Coaching Career
1991-93
Washington, Assistant Coach
1994-00
Kansas State, Assistant Coach
(1996 NCAA Appearance)
(Two NIT Appearances)
2000-04
Nevada, Associate Head Coach
(2004 NCAA Appearance - Sweet Sixteen)
(2003 NIT Appearance)
2004-present
Nevada, Head Coach
(2007 NCAA Appearance - Second Round)
(2006 NCAA Appearance - First Round)

(2005 NCAA Appearance - Second Round)

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:22pm

I didn't make any mistake. I listened to Williams and Fox both refer to his time as a graduate assistant at Kansas in 93-94. I have no reason to not believe the two men who would know.

BktBallRef Thu Dec 27, 2007 09:43pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
Hopefully Frasor is ok and it looks worse than it is....

Nope, worse than it looked.

Torn ACL.

Nevadaref Fri Dec 28, 2007 04:41am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Nope, worse than it looked.

Torn ACL.

That's just rotten.:( What an unfortunate result of a hustle play by a kid.
I'm surprised that they are sure so quickly. Usually they say that an MRI cannot give a definitive result until the swelling goes down, which takes a couple of days.

I'll hope for the best for the kid.

grunewar Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:50am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef
Nope, worse than it looked.

Torn ACL.

Sad and disappointing. As someone who recently recovered from ACL, meniscus, and cartilage surgery, I feel sorry for him, know what's ahead, and wish him the best for a speedy recovery....Modern medicine is something though!


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