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Chess Ref Thu Dec 20, 2007 07:59am
Timing Mishap
 
We got the classic BJV blow out going on. 20 point lead. team leading has the throw in.

1 second on clock till halftime.
Partner is trail administering a throw in at division line.
Player throws the ball towards his basket and horn goes off while ball is clearly in the air.
So partner has timer reset clock and we do it again.

Common sense wise this was the right move.
Rule book wise I believed we were okay in that we had definite knowledge of how much time to put back on the clock, 1 sec. So i thought we were on solid ground.

Any other opinions on we handled this ?

hbioteach Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:19am
Yes. Right on

fullor30 Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:21am
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Originally Posted by Chess Ref
We got the classic BJV blow out going on. 20 point lead. team leading has the throw in.

1 second on clock till halftime.
Partner is trail administering a throw in at division line.
Player throws the ball towards his basket and horn goes off while ball is clearly in the air.
So partner has timer reset clock and we do it again.

Common sense wise this was the right move.
Rule book wise I believed we were okay in that we had definite knowledge of how much time to put back on the clock, 1 sec. So i thought we were on solid ground.

Any other opinions on we handled this ?
Sounds good to me. It was too apparent that clock started early. Even in a blowout, I think you did it right.

dash_riprock Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:25am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chess Ref
We got the classic BJV blow out going on. 20 point lead. team leading has the throw in.

1 second on clock till halftime.
Partner is trail administering a throw in at division line.
Player throws the ball towards his basket and horn goes off while ball is clearly in the air.
So partner has timer reset clock and we do it again.

Common sense wise this was the right move.
Rule book wise I believed we were okay in that we had definite knowledge of how much time to put back on the clock, 1 sec. So i thought we were on solid ground.

Any other opinions on we handled this ?
I think you had it right, assuming the same team got the ball for a throw in at the same spot.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 20, 2007 08:29am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chess Ref
We got the classic BJV blow out going on. 20 point lead. team leading has the throw in.

1 second on clock till halftime.
Partner is trail administering a throw in at division line.
Player throws the ball towards his basket and horn goes off while ball is clearly in the air.
So partner has timer reset clock and we do it again.

Common sense wise this was the right move.
Rule book wise I believed we were okay in that we had definite knowledge of how much time to put back on the clock, 1 sec. So i thought we were on solid ground.

Any other opinions on we handled this ?
I would add that you should blow the whistle immediately. That leaves no doubt that the ball is now dead during the throw-in and you can fix the timing error and resume with the POI, which is of course the throw-in.

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I would add that you should blow the whistle immediately. That leaves no doubt that the ball is now dead during the throw-in and you can fix the timing error and resume with the POI, which is of course the throw-in.
What if the official freezes for a moment, and doesn't blow the whistle until the ball is near half-court? Wouldn't you correct the clock back to 1 sec., and administer the throw-in at half court?



:D

Scrapper1 Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:12am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
What if the official freezes for a moment, and doesn't blow the whistle until the ball is near half-court? Wouldn't you correct the clock back to 1 sec., and administer the throw-in at half court?
You are such a. . . a. . .

Somehow, the word I'm looking for escapes me. ;)

gordon30307 Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:12am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
What if the official freezes for a moment, and doesn't blow the whistle until the ball is near half-court? Wouldn't you correct the clock back to 1 sec., and administer the throw-in at half court?



:D
No. By administering at half court you're giving the throw in team an advantage they don't deserve because of the officials error.

Chess Ref Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:18am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
What if the official freezes for a moment, and doesn't blow the whistle until the ball is near half-court? Wouldn't you correct the clock back to 1 sec., and administer the throw-in at half court?



:D
Isn't the division line the same as half court ? :rolleyes:

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
You are such a. . . a. . .

Somehow, the word I'm looking for escapes me. ;)
You're 2% of the way there.

gordon30307 Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:37am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
You're 2% of the way there.
You got me. Touche' Reading is a skill I'm obviously lacking.

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:38am
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Originally Posted by gordon30307
No. By administering at half court you're giving the throw in team an advantage they don't deserve because of the officials error.
But, doesn't the Fed. specifically not allow "do-overs"? And, as Nevada points out, you go to the POI, which, in my scenario, would be at half-court (or the division line, as others have pointed out).

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:42am
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Originally Posted by gordon30307
You got me. Touche' Reading is a skill I'm obviously lacking.
Sorry, that's an inside joke with Scrappy. I've been called a body part that starts with an "a", and I've been told I'm right 2% of the time.

sigh...you would think more people would exhibit the holiday spirit this time of year...

rainmaker Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:51am
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Sorry, that's an inside joke with Scrappy. I've been called a body part that starts with an "a", and I've been told I'm right 2% of the time.

sigh...you would think more people would exhibit the holiday spirit this time of year...

I"m full of it, Jim. Here you go:

MerrHapJammin SolRamaChrisKwanz
HannuDanMasNukZaaStice!!

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:55am
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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I"m full of it, Jim.
We've suspected that for a while... ;)

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Here you go:

MerrHapJammin SolRamaChrisKwanz
HannuDanMasNukZaaStice!!
Finally! Now it's officially the holiday season!

:D

bob jenkins Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
But, doesn't the Fed. specifically not allow "do-overs"? And, as Nevada points out, you go to the POI, which, in my scenario, would be at half-court (or the division line, as others have pointed out).
I'm a little confused by this. In the OP, the original throw-in was at the division line. Then, you have the official freezing, and not blowing the whistle until the ball is at the division line. Maybe it's too much, umm, cat nip.

So, assume you meant that the original throw-in was at the end-line, and the official didn't blow the whistle until the ball was over the division line. The throw-in hadn't ended, so the POI is still the throw-in.

M&M Guy Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Maybe it's too much, umm, cat nip.
Now that I go back and read it, you're right. Our kids actually grow catnip for our cat, so I should be a little more careful what I sprinkle on my salad.

That's what I get for trying to be a smart-a$$. I should just leave that for the professionals on the forum.

rainmaker Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
We've suspected that for a while... ;)


Finally! Now it's officially the holiday season!

:D
Yup, the gift of a nice, juicy one right over the plate and the official greeting. Catnip, eggnog, and my mom's stuffing with waterchestnuts. And all my little chicks in the nest on the 25th. Looking like a great uh, holiday.


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