Minnesota to Enforce Rules
 

In what may seem like a "shoot yourself in the foot" move to some, and an "It's about time" move to others, in an effort to reduce rough play, the MSHSL has decided to ask officials and coaches to play by the rules.

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http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/12567936.html

is this link correct? (www.mshsl.org) does not work for me

http://www.startribune.com/sports/preps/12567936.html

ARGH! The ref has facial hair! :eek: :D

The proverbial can of worms.

His link accidentally included a parenthesis at the end. Try it without them instead. It worked for me.

BTW - read the story requiring coaches to attend a rules meeting and take (AND PASS!) a rules test. Right on!

It's ridiculous. As though in the past we haven't been calling "by the rules". It's not a question of "playing by the rules". It's strictly up to agreeing on a common interpretation. The problem is getting coaches to teach their kids to acknowledge their own weaknesses, and learn to play cleaner. Nothing officials do or don't do can change the coaches plans. THey have to do it themselves.

The link to the mshsl site won't do you any good unless you are a state certified official. You would need to be able to login to the officials corner, and in that page there is a link to a powerpoint presentation on how to call the game "by the rules."

The main points of emphasis are no armbars, and no hands allowed. If you have your forearm away from your body, and make contact with your opponent, it's an automatic foul (offensive or defensive). For hands, it's called touch and play. You can use your hand to "find" your opponent, then they must come off. Hands on the opponent after the initial touch is automatic foul.

I've called a few games this year, and the kids pick up on how you call it fairly quickly (most of the time). I talked with an official that called a game with as many as 68 fouls, and one with only 4 total fouls on one team.

So, if the coach can teach his kids to play proper defense, his team will be fine.

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... guidelines are explained in detail on an audio slide show posted on the MSHSL website (www.mshsl.org). Merkle, who provides the narration, stresses what must be called: "Coaches, you must understand these guidelines and teach them to your players. Officials, you must call the game using these guidelines. This is not optional nor is it up to individual interpretation."


How can you not have individual interpretation? Does a bell ring when there is a foul?

This is the way the coaches in the state want it called. They wanted it called literally, no hands means no hands!

No, actually, a whistle is supposed to sound. :D

And it's been that way forever. The players and coaches will adjust to the officials, <b>IF</b> the officials are consistent. If we tighten up, they'll adjust to us.

Maybe this link will work...

http://www.mshsl.org/mshsl/sofficial...8/player2.html

Who the hell WANTS to tighten up? Advantage/disadvantage is the way the game's been played forever. It's a contact sport. Those that deny that are foolish.

Minnesota wants to turn the sport into the equivalent of no-check hockey. Wonderful in theory, horribly boring in practice.

Edited to add: I've watched the video. Overboard, IMO, but nobody's asking me and I don't live there. Sounds like women's college "guidelines" are creeping into the NFHS game.

They want it called that way on the opponents. No coach ever wants it called that way on their own players.

"Carnac says, "2 1/2 hour games and double bonus by the end of the third quarter"...

"What is a high school basketball game in Minnesota..."

Your point would be....

My point is that if you call it as they say in the video you're in for a long game...

Okay, so why is that a response to what I said about coaches not wanting it called on their own players? I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand the flow of the conversation...

Fixed it to not include your post...my apologies.:o

No reason to apologize. It's just easy enough to confuse me already. I don't need help!!

Especially since I believe someone recently posted that Minn. plays 18-minute halves. So you've got 2 extra minutes each half for the bonus.

I agree. Not always but I have found you might reach the bonus or double bonus on both teams in the first half. Second half starts and you're expecting the same and the fouls diminish significantly. Both teams adjusted to how the game is being called.

I'm an official in MN and adjusting to the new guidelines and believe me it is an adjustment. Many officials in my area were using A/D and doing a good job. As RichMSN states it is a lot like Women's basketball 4-5 years ago where certain acts were supposed to ALWAYS be called fouls regardless of any A/D. Displace and impede are the new buzzwords.

Some teams are adjusting real well, you can tell their coaches have been working on it BEFORE the season started. Other teams/coaches appear clueless and they get called for a lot more fouls.

Yes, we play 18 min halves, yes the new guidelines have typically resulted in more fouls per game ranging from a couple to a lot. Yes, we shoot a lot of free throws most games due to these 2 reasons. As with any change there is an adjustment period. It will be interesting to see how the teams/players adjust as the season progresses.

I have found this to be true alot of times.

About 25% of the time I find coaches will continue to counsel their players to continue playing "aggresive defense":rolleyes: , almost like to see if we,the officials, are willing to keep calling it. I am and I do.:)

Nothing like a long Frosh game to put everyone in a good frame of mind.