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Old Sat Dec 15, 2007, 06:39pm
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As far as Im concerned they are like the lil yip yip dogs that are nippin at your hills when you are taking a walk with the misses.
You must be built funny. In my family, it's my wife that has the hills. Of course, sometimes I wish they were mountains.

I know those are meds around here somewhere.
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Old Sat Dec 15, 2007, 06:58pm
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Coaches pop off for a variety of reasons.

A. can't coach - it's the refs fault we lost
B. Not enough talent and can't coach--it's the refs fault we lost
C. Have talent and can't coach-it's the refs fault we lost.
D. Have no clue about rules, and blame that on the refs.
E. Gonna lose position if team doesn't do well, and that's the refs' fault, too.
F. Can't understand why every ref seems to be hostile to coach -- but it must be their problem, right?
G. Have no sense of neutrality and no respect for authority, and can't understand why refs don't see it their way.
H. Life just isn't fair. Yelling makes it fair, right?
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Old Sun Dec 16, 2007, 12:06pm
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G. Know in their hearts they're destined for greatness...if only they could get some decent refs who'd give them the calls they need.
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Old Sun Dec 16, 2007, 12:56pm
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Technical Fouls

Technical Fouls

Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
• You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a
technical foul.
• When coaches complain, ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate
gripe, then allow them some latitude. Be courteous. Do not argue. Be firm and fair
• If you know a coach is upset then move away from him or her, even if it means that you and your partner
are not switching or rotating properly.
• Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a
warning.
• Lend a resonable ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are
more likely to lose control.
• If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
• If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you
do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
• If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash.
Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top reasons to give a technical foul.
• If necessary, give an initial strong warning. Let your partner know about the warning.

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are
three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach
draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent. Some technical
fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation:
• Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
• A coach questions your integrity.
• Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
• A coach is embarrassing an official.
• A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
• Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
• A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.
Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate before
the technical foul is given:
• A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
• If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far.
• If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul
• Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires
a penalty. Maintain a calm attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the
coach by being demonstrative.
• Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal
the technical foul. Take a deep breath to calm yourself. Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical
foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul.
• Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your
partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box.
• Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. Always explain technical fouls on players to coaches.
• Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately.
Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed
rebuttal time.
• Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it
is warranted.
• Do not discuss a technical foul or an ejection of a player or coach beyond the confines of the gymnasium.
Doing so is very unethical. The penalty is enough.

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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:38am
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I love hearing coaches tell me to watch the moving screens, 3 seconds and over the back...... That pretty much reinforces my thoughts of coaches. When I encounter a howler monkey coach like that. I lock and load because Ill be aiming for the tree line to wack that monkey off his limb..............
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:48am
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So.. I made a 5 sec call on sat. Coach sais, "Thats the shortest 5 sec call I have ever seen."

I just give him a look, and then let it go. He said nothing else and I think I made my point in just one look.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 01:55pm
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So.. I made a 5 sec call on sat. Coach sais, "Thats the shortest 5 sec call I have ever seen."
Same situation in a 7th grade girls game after a made basket I happened to glance at the clock because I knew we were under a minute in the half. The clock said 35.(something). I finish my count and blow the whistle for the 5 sec. violation and the clock stops at 29.8. I'm congratulating myself and the coach is saying something about a fast count.

That being said....

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First of all I dont talk to ***. coaches! As far as Im concerned they are like the lil yip yip dogs that are nippin at your hills when you are taking a walk with the misses.
Archer, you are no worse than an uneducated coach who believes the officials cost his/her team a game. As a High School JV coach and Varsity Assistant coach I take great offense to you lumping every coach in the world together. I don't go to those state meetings because I don't need the rule book explained to me, not because I don't care.

I have refereed for over 10 years and I give coaches the benefit of the doubt until they cross the line, you clearly come in to every game with a pre-conceived notion of what to expect from the coaches and that is every bit as wrong as the "howler-monkey" coaches that don't know the rules.
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 01:58pm
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So.. I made a 5 sec call on sat. Coach sais, "Thats the shortest 5 sec call I have ever seen."
Davism for a coach yelling to get a 5 (or 3) second call:

"Coach, that wasn't 5 (or 3) seconds even in dog years."
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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 03:49pm
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I don't go to those state meetings because I don't need the rule book explained to me,

This is why I have no patience for jv coaches or varsity coaches for the most part.
You say you have reffed for 10 yrs and dont go to state clinics? Typical mentality of a coach............................. errr... coach/referee.
When I was younger and doing the AAU curcuit I came acoss an a$$. coach for an AAU team. He made a point to let me know he was a registered official in our state. Me being a young offical took it for granted that he would not be a problem. Well he starts on the guy I was training. I explained to him that he was learning the game and of all people he should know what the young guy was going through. Well,,,,, He got ejected. Escorted off the property, etc... I in turn on the following day was informed by this idiot that He is real good buddies with HIS commissioner and that I would never work a post season game in high school ever again...... Well,,, after 4 state finals and countless Region Championships I still wonder when Im gonna get my games taken away.
So until you decide to take this serious. Dont come on here telling me how to officiate...... Boy, as far as Im concerned...... Your still pooping yellow and Ive no patience for Know-it-alls!

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Old Mon Dec 17, 2007, 11:39pm
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I think we're misunderstanding each other, or at least the way things work in our respective states. I attend each year my association's interpretation meeting, but I don't attend the state interscholastic association's rules meeting for coaches because I find it remedial and a waste of my time. Once again I find your preconceived notions to go beyond the normal, usually humorous, coach bashing that I've come to expect on this forum and I resent you questioning my dedication to officiating. I give my brother and sister officials the highest level of respect while they are busting their a$$es, especially in a game that I am coaching, and I expect that respect in return when I am working my hardest to teach young men the right way to play the game.
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Old Tue Dec 18, 2007, 01:18am
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I think we're misunderstanding each other, or at least the way things work in our respective states. I attend each year my association's interpretation meeting, but I don't attend the state interscholastic association's rules meeting for coaches because I find it remedial and a waste of my time. Once again I find your preconceived notions to go beyond the normal, usually humorous, coach bashing that I've come to expect on this forum and I resent you questioning my dedication to officiating. I give my brother and sister officials the highest level of respect while they are busting their a$$es, especially in a game that I am coaching, and I expect that respect in return when I am working my hardest to teach young men the right way to play the game.
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Man, there seems to be a bit of coach-disliking (hate is a strong word) here. I've been spoiled so far this year. Eight games, all sub-varsity and all of the coaches have been pretty good. One even said at the start of the JV game "this is all about the kids, I won't be talking to you guys at all". And he stayed true to his word! Tonight I do my first varsity game of the season(two actually, girls and boys), only my 3rd and 4th ever. Perhaps the "heat" will crank up a notch or three and all the love so far will disappear.
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Man, there seems to be a bit of coach-disliking (hate is a strong word) here.
90% of coaches give the others a bad name.
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One even said at the start of the JV game "this is all about the kids, I won't be talking to you guys at all". And he stayed true to his word!
That's usually the first indication of danger. Don't let that one good experience lull you into believing that the next coach who says that to you actually means it. Coaches who tell you crap like this are either trying to do damage control on their reputations or convince themselves that it's true. Or both.
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Tonight I do my first varsity game of the season(two actually, girls and boys), only my 3rd and 4th ever. Perhaps the "heat" will crank up a notch or three and all the love so far will disappear.
I wouldn't bet money against you on this
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If your judgment and people skills are good, this will be the norm.
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If your judgment and people skills are good, this will be the norm.
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