Backcourt violation?
 

Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

yes

Yes it is a BC violation - had the same thing happen in a GV game last Saturday.

Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.

I agree. THere have been more questions about this rule this year than I can remember in the past (and most have nothing to do with the recent NFHS interps on the issue).

Perhaps BasketBallRef is to blame as I don't recall his annual BackCourt Quiz. Did I miss it?

Re. Mark Padgent's Question
 

Mark wrote: Freddy - I'd be interested in knowing why you had to ask. What was causing doubt? Please note - this is not a criticism, just trying to find out why some officials aren't sure of this rule. Thanks.
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I called it a violation firmly and confidently. A veteran coach who typically questions no calls ever loudly yelled, "You got that one wrong!" Not enough to make me doubt my call, but enough to go to the rulebook and casebook when I got home to confirm my confidence. The rulebook is clear on the matter in its own confusing way. The casebook doesn't bring up a situation like that. So, in summary, it's a situation where I am confident as to the rule, but was just confirming it through the guys/girls on the webring. Like I like to think, "There's a fine line between confidence and cockiness." I want to pursue the former without lapsing into the latter. That's why this webring is a significant help to me.

Mark - see explanation later in the thread. Thanx for you interest and for the way in which you stated your inquiry!

I don't think he's posted it in two years.

Originally Posted by Freddy
Happened tonite. A1 in backcourt passes to A2 in frontcourt. A2 passes back to A1 who catches the pass in midair after jumping from backcourt, landing in the frontcourt with ball control. Backcourt violation?

I've had debates about this play, too, and I haven't yet seen an explanation in this thread. Is it because A1's last established position was in the backcourt and had not yet established position in the frontcourt?

Ultimately, coaches DO NOT know this rule...and it makes some question their calls when coaches consistently badger about the backcourt violation.

Okay. Once A2 receives the initial pass from A1, the ball is now in FC with team control for A.
Once A1 touches the pass from A2, the ball now gains BC status since A2 has BC status by virtue of his last contact with the floor. For rule purposes, he may as well have been standing in the back court.

Yep
 

That's how I read it. I don't know if it fits in every circumstance, but someone somewhere on this board once said, "You are where you were until you get where you're going." I think that clearly fits this situation.

My Freshmen girls know this rule.....

OTOH, our varsity boys coach thought anytime a defender touches the Backboard, it's a technical.

Hmmm, that could be a very short night if that were the case.

Think of it this way:
You are where you are until you get where you're going.

The location of an airborne player is determined by where they last touched the court before becoming airborne. There are 3 elements to a BC violation, team control, last touched in front court by team with control, first touched in back court by team with control. In the case presented, team control by A was clearly established, the ball gained front court status when caught by A2 in front court, was last touched in front court by A2 when they passed it back to A1, and first touched in back court by A1 who still had back court status. Hence all 3 elements are satisfied & you have a BC violation.

Probably because he had one of his kids called for it once and, wait for it..... misunderstood the explanation.

Actually, first touched by team in control after gaining backcourt status. It is not necessary that the actual touch be in the backcourt.

Situation the other night: GV Throw-in from the frontcourt end line over everyone's head. It bounced a couple of times and A1 grabbed it right at the division line, in frontcourt, but she lost her balance. As she tumbled into backcourt, she dropped the ball, which bounced on the line two or three times, then trickled back into frontcourt. She stepped back into frontcourt and picked up the ball. I called the violation, expecting a big negative reaction from the coach, but there was none.

Excellent situation and clarification!

So it didn't matter that it was the same player who picked it up? If her teammate would've touched it first, it was still a BC violation?

Yes.

And, to anticipate the next question, it doesn't matter whether it's a 10-panel ball or an 8-panel ball, nor whether it's a boy's game or a girl's game.

What if there's a 15-pt no press rule in effect? :rolleyes:

HTBT but, I would have played the "she was falling and didn't have control of the ball yet" card. :D

If she would have fell WITH the ball, I would have accepted a travel.

And I would have just stared at you for a brief second before heading towards my new lead position. ;)

Day game or night game?

Oh wait, nevermind, that's baseball. ;)

C'mon now, that doesn't scan. Try it aloud: "you ARE where you WERE till you GET where you're GOING."

There, isn't that better?

No puking on his shoes???

So what if this was in the JV game and the Varsity coach was sitting on the bench yelling at you??? Would you call the violation then? Would you? Huh?:cool:

Yup, and then I'd have puked on his shoes when he confronted me at the locker room door.

That would be the best report I ever wrote.

Send me a copy of it, OK??:D