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FTVMartin Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:24am

First time 3-man tonight
 
I'm working a freshman/jv DH tonight and using 3-man for the first time. Any advice?
I worked about a half in a varsity scrimmage at a camp and found that that I was more concerned with mechanics and where I should be and less concerned with calling the game.

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:29am

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Originally Posted by FTVMartin
I'm working a freshman/jv DH tonight and using 3-man for the first time. Any advice?
I worked about a half in a varsity scrimmage at a camp and found that that I was more concerned with mechanics and where I should be and less concerned with calling the game.

There is no getting around that, that is going to happen until you are comfortable....best advice I can give is be sure you understand where your primary coverage area is and officiate there. You are going to have double whistles, so be sure to communicate well and be patient with your signals to avoid situations like the dreaded BLARGE! Don't worry too much about rotating a ton until you feel comfortable, and don't worry if you miss a rotation or a switch here and there, it is going to happen....it is the greatest thing once you get comfortable, you get a whole new perspective on the game vs. 2-person....and remember this - there are probably only going to be two other people in the gym who are going to know if you goofed up a mechanic, whereas if you are too focused on mechanics and not calling your game, the whole gym is going to know it, so worry about calling your game first...

Adam Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:30am

Worry about mechanics and switches during dead balls. It may make for slightly longer delays before throw-ins and free throws, but there's no reason to worry about them during live play. While the game is being played, focus on the action in your primary. How experienced are your partners in 3-person mechancs? Have a good pre-game with them, regardless of their experience, just so you all know the expectations.

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:32am

BTW, they are working 3-person for Frosh/JV?? Boy the schools in Bay City must be raking it in!:p

Adam Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:42am

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Originally Posted by kbilla
BTW, they are working 3-person for Frosh/JV?? Boy the schools in Bay City must be raking it in!:p

I can't think of a better way to get JV officials ready for varsity. Here, we occasionally work JV with three and split the two checks three ways. I don't think all the refs would be happy doing it, but I personally jump at the chance to work all the 3 I can.

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:46am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
I can't think of a better way to get JV officials ready for varsity. Here, we occasionally work JV with three and split the two checks three ways. I don't think all the refs would be happy doing it, but I personally jump at the chance to work all the 3 I can.

I agree completely, I did the same thing when I started working 3-person...jumped in on many summer league games that I worked for free with two vets just for the practice...it pays off in the long run...

Vinski Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:04am

Don’t forget to referee the action! When I first started 3-man, I was so busy thinking about mechanics that I missed some very obvious calls. When you’re starting out with 3-man, missing the rotation is going to happen a few times. Your partners will understand and adjust. Like Snaq said,” Worry about mechanics and switches during dead balls.”

jdw3018 Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:17am

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Originally Posted by kbilla
BTW, they are working 3-person for Frosh/JV?? Boy the schools in Bay City must be raking it in!:p

The very best thing about moving to South Carolina this year is that, at least in my area, we use 3-man for everything - middle school on up.

The strategy is great - they want to get officials ready for varsity as quickly as possible, and working 3-man makes for consistent and quality officiating without worry about switching back and forth when doing lower-level games.

There is also some thought that full-schedule varsity level officials are much more likely to take a JV game now and then (actually quite often from what I've seen around here) when they can work 3-man...

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:22am

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
The very best thing about moving to South Carolina this year is that, at least in my area, we use 3-man for everything - middle school on up.

The strategy is great - they want to get officials ready for varsity as quickly as possible, and working 3-man makes for consistent and quality officiating without worry about switching back and forth when doing lower-level games.

There is also some thought that full-schedule varsity level officials are much more likely to take a JV game now and then (actually quite often from what I've seen around here) when they can work 3-man...

Has the rate gone down for these games? That is a great practice, I'm just surprised that the lower levels were willing to absorb the cost...

chartrusepengui Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:22am

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I can't think of a better way to get JV officials ready for varsity. Here, we occasionally work JV with three and split the two checks three ways. I don't think all the refs would be happy doing it, but I personally jump at the chance to work all the 3 I can.
We started doing this with younger officials. We tried to put 2 experienced guys with a younger official at a 3 person camp and then continue the way you do during the season. Not all the guys are willing to split their checks but when schools want the 3 person crew - the guys unwilling to help out and split checks are finding they get less of those games. The people assigning are hiring the guys they see doing 3 person on a regular basis.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:27am

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Originally Posted by kbilla
Has the rate gone down for these games? That is a great practice, I'm just surprised that the lower levels were willing to absorb the cost...

It's been this way for a couple years, so I don't know what the rate was before and if it adjusted down when they went to 3-man. But, the pay for lower levels here has been very comparable, and even more at times, to what I got for 2-man lower-level games in Kansas...

JoeTheRef Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:30am

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Originally Posted by kbilla
I agree completely, I did the same thing when I started working 3-person...jumped in on many summer league games that I worked for free with two vets just for the practice...it pays off in the long run...

I personally believe that's how you become a better official. I tell my wife all the time that I would do this "officiating" stuff for free. You have to love it enough to do it for free, travel to games you're not calling and sit in on veterans pregames and games. JM.02

fullor30 Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:31am

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Originally Posted by FTVMartin
I'm working a freshman/jv DH tonight and using 3-man for the first time. Any advice?
I worked about a half in a varsity scrimmage at a camp and found that that I was more concerned with mechanics and where I should be and less concerned with calling the game.


Saw the heading of this thread and before I read your post was going to say same thing..........get the calls right is foremost. Because of the expected anxiety you may have, take that extra second for a patient whistle, don't be in a hurry. I haven't read any other posts, so I maybe repeating much here.

Relax and have fun!

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:35am

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
I personally believe that's how you become a better official. I tell my wife all the time that I would do this "officiating" stuff for free. You have to love it enough to do it for free, travel to games you're not calling and sit in on veterans pregames and games. JM.02


While I believe that as well, I can't tell my wife that...if I told her I would do it for free, then it becomes a "hobby" rather than a second job, and a hobby that takes me away from home 4 nights/days a week doesn't fly when you have a 9mo old at home:D

JoeTheRef Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:35am

I found talking to myself helps. From the opening tip I am telling myself white ball C slot, blue ball trail. To keep from ball watching in the C slot, I constantly tell myself who or where the competive matchup is, where my Primary is and check it, check my secondary if needed, etc.

Bearfanmike20 Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
While I believe that as well, I can't tell my wife that...if I told her I would do it for free, then it becomes a "hobby" rather than a second job, and a hobby that takes me away from home 4 nights/days a week doesn't fly when you have a 9mo old at home:D


Bingo... I get away with once in a while doing special olympics, but.. not alot of them.

fullor30 Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
While I believe that as well, I can't tell my wife that...if I told her I would do it for free, then it becomes a "hobby" rather than a second job, and a hobby that takes me away from home 4 nights/days a week doesn't fly when you have a 9mo old at home:D

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I'm the opposite. Officiating is my avocation, not my vocation. I'd do it for free, although not as many games as I do now. I get paid to get a good cardio workout and have fun.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30
...I get paid to get a good cardio workout...

This is the thing that makes my wife okay with 4 nights a week...

bgtg19 Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30
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I get paid to get a good cardio workout and have fun.

With the move to 3-person crews, you still get paid to have fun, but you don't get paid for a "good cardio workout." Being out on the court is better than being sedentary, but one of the things I dislike about the 3-person games is that we don't get to run as much anymore.

Still, on balance, 3-person crews are preferred.

kbilla Thu Dec 13, 2007 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by bgtg19
With the move to 3-person crews, you still get paid to have fun, but you don't get paid for a "good cardio workout." Being out on the court is better than being sedentary, but one of the things I dislike about the 3-person games is that we don't get to run as much anymore.

Still, on balance, 3-person crews are preferred.

That is the truth! I worked a 2-person game last Fri and a (terrible!) 3-person game last night and it was no contest, last night we hardly broke a sweat...granted the game was brutal, no up and down, no flow, but still....

FTVMartin Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:20pm

Games went well! All rotations seemed very easy and I was very comfortable with it by the middle of the second game. I never realized how small of an area you actually have to cover in 3-man.

Best part, instead of splitting the checks, the school paid us all the full amount ($90.00). :)

grunewar Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:28pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
While I believe that as well, I can't tell my wife that...if I told her I would do it for free, then it becomes a "hobby" rather than a second job, and a hobby that takes me away from home 4 nights/days a week doesn't fly when you have a 9mo old at home:D

Heck, it doesn't get any better with a 14 yr old at home either!:p

cloverdale Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:47pm

congrats
 
are you with bay metro...if so who did you work with...I was schelduled to work 3 man fresh/jv but was cancelled...did you attend eastman camp this summer...we had a clinic at reese on the 1st and was well attended...if you dont belong to an association I highly recommend bay metro...again congrats.:D


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