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Coltdoggs Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:38pm

Is the term "disconsortion"?
 
Is that the term in the rule book regarding defenders or bench yelling/clapping/talking to a FT shooter during his shot? Disconsort the FT shooter?

Had a kid yesterday begin walking from wing to top of key, clapping his hands as soon as the shooter got the ball....Shooter missed, I blew the whistle and issued a violation on him and that we would shoot again...2nd attempt went in!

Couldn't think of the term the rule book used...was just thinking about it today...

I probably have that word all jacked up...

Thanks in advance for the vocabulary lesson! :D

Dan_ref Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:42pm

Henry VIII disconsorted - 5 times as a matter of fact.

Basketball players disconcert. Disconcertion is the term you're looking for.

rainmaker Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Consort
1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare prince consort, queen consort.
2. one vessel or ship accompanying another.
3. Music.
a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music.
b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
4. a companion, associate, or partner: a confidant and consort of heads of state.

Would dis-consort mean a queen's divorce? the breaking up of a troup of ships or a musical group? taking away someone's partner, or companion??

The word is disconcert. "to disturb the self-possession of. to perturb or ruffle."

armymanjones Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Would dis-consort mean a queen's divorce? the breaking up of a troup of ships or a musical group? taking away someone's partner, or companion??

The word is disconcert. "to disturb the self-possession of. to perturb or ruffle."

LOL!! Coltdoggs if you haven't learned by now this is a tough audience!!! Keep on doing a good job and don't let them DISCONCERT you.....LOL

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:32pm

is the signal for this violation the same as a lane violation?

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
is the signal for this violation the same as a lane violation?

No. The proper signal is to put your right foot in, then take your right foot out, put your right foot in again, then you shake it all about. If it's their second occurrence, you also turn yourself around.

I make this call a lot.

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:50pm

My question was serious one!

For all of those who also signal a travel when moving on a throw in when you are not supposed to.

Dan_ref Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
No. The proper signal is to put your right foot in, then take your right foot out, put your right foot in again, then you shake it all about. If it's their second occurrence, you also turn yourself around.

I make this call a lot.

And the signal for disconsortion is to make a fist with your right hand, stick out your thumb (as in hitch-hiking) and quickly run that thumb going left to right across your throat.

rainmaker Mon Dec 10, 2007 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
And the signal for disconsortion is to make a fist with your right hand, stick out your thumb (as in hitch-hiking) and quickly run that thumb going left to right across your throat.

Do you have a youtube video of Henry VIII making that signal? I'd like to know that it's official.

Adam Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Do you have a youtube video of Henry VIII making that signal? I'd like to know that it's official.

I believe Marie Antoinette initiated that signal.

Adam Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:01pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo
is the signal for this violation the same as a lane violation?

Yes.

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:03pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Do you have a youtube video of Henry VIII making that signal? I'd like to know that it's official.

Juulie - I don't this this is Henry VIII, but this guy's name might be Henry something. Will that work?

http://folksong.org.nz/kapa_o_pango/new_haka2.jpg

rainmaker Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Juulie - I don't this this is Henry VIII, but this guy's name might be Henry something. Will that work?

http://folksong.org.nz/kapa_o_pango/new_haka2.jpg

I suppose it depends on who he's referring to. Is it aimed at his "consort"? Because otherwise, it's not disconsortion.

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I suppose it depends on who he's referring to. Is it aimed at his "consort"? Because otherwise, it's not disconsortion.

No, it was aimed at a "concert". Barry Manilow was playing. ;)

rainmaker Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:08pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
No, it was aimed at a "concert". Barry Manilow was playing. ;)

Hey, that does work! Except I really like his Chopin/pop combination song. Disconsort him after that one, okay!

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Hey, that does work! Except I really like his Chopin/pop combination song. Disconsort him after that one, okay!

Bary Manilow shoulda been disconsorted at birth.

Adam Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:26pm

Disconsortion? Don't catholics call that excommunication?

Dan_ref Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:37pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Do you have a youtube video of Henry VIII making that signal? I'd like to know that it's official.

They actually called it thoutube back then. Since this took place in the PG (pre-google) era there is no known record. Sorry.

Along these lines it fairly well known that Henry had a brush with the law when it was discovered he had some under aged porn on his scrolls. He was able to get off by claiming he was doing scholarly research on the topic so the authorities looked the other way... after they spent a month in the tower to think it over.

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 10, 2007 02:52pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Along these lines it fairly well known that Henry had a brush with the law when it was discovered he had some under aged porn on his scrolls.

And when Henry told Anne Boleyn that he wanted some head, she might have been smart to get a clarification too.:eek:

rainmaker Mon Dec 10, 2007 03:06pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
They actually called it thoutube back then.

ROFLMAO!!!

Definitely the post of the week!

Dan_ref Mon Dec 10, 2007 03:12pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
ROFLMAO!!!

Definitely the post of the week!

Really?

Just goes to show, there's no way to predict the road to success - best plan is to just keep throwing sh1t up there and hope somehow your efforts are rewarded.

Coltdoggs Mon Dec 10, 2007 03:49pm

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Originally Posted by armymanjones
LOL!! Coltdoggs if you haven't learned by now this is a tough audience!!! Keep on doing a good job and don't let them DISCONCERT you.....LOL

Hey, I treat em like fans...I hear ya, but I am not listening.. :D

It's all good...

eg-italy Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
No, it was aimed at a "concert". Barry Manilow was playing. ;)

Well, I know that this will disconcert Mark, but the word comes from Latin (at least not from the French. :)):

concertatio -onis f.: contest , strife, dispute

In the XVII century "concertare" was a musical form where the instruments were disputing with each other. Now the verb "concertare" in Italian means exactly the opposite of its Latin ancestor, because it means "to get together in order to find an agreement", in music and politics. Besides the musical reason, it can be also because of the similar word

concentus -us m.: singing together, harmony; hence: agreement, unity, concord

Ciao

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 11, 2007 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by eg-italy
Well, I know that this will disconcert Mark, but the word comes from Latin (at least not from the French. :)):

concertatio -onis f.: contest , strife, dispute

I am familiar with the "concertatio" (pronounced kon-cur-tay-tee-o) reference since I took two years of Latin in HS and two more years of it in college.

Don't ask me why. :o

mbyron Tue Dec 11, 2007 01:24pm

Alas, like many Latin words, this one crept into English via French, in this case the obsolete French verb 'desconcerter'. Thank the Normans.

eg-italy Wed Dec 12, 2007 09:22am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I am familiar with the "concertatio" (pronounced kon-cur-tay-tee-o) reference since I took two years of Latin in HS and two more years of it in college.

Don't ask me why. :o

I had five years of Latin in HS after two years also in MS, so I easily beat you. :p

And, of course, we pronounced "concertatio" in a very different way: something like "con-cher-tah-tsee-o". Ecclesiastical pronunciation, they call it.

Ciao

Adam Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:22am

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Originally Posted by eg-italy
I had five years of Latin in HS after two years also in MS, so I easily beat you. :p

So it takes 5 years to graduate high school in the metric system?

Dan_ref Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
So it takes 5 years to graduate high school in the metric system?

Maybe he was red-shirted? (a metric red shirt is kinda maroonish purple btw)

eg-italy Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
So it takes 5 years to graduate high school in the metric system?

You know that one meter is larger than one yard, one kilogram is more than one pound, one liter is more than one pint. So we need one year more in HS. :)

Canadians say that they use the metric system, but I believe they are cheating. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Maybe he was red-shirted? (a metric red shirt is kinda maroonish purple btw)

:eek: No, no: our HS takes five years. And, of course, we don't say red-shirted: the real name of the color would be too long to say. :)


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