"The turnover"
 

It appears that announcers this year have been told to call any violation a turnover. "It's Smith with the turnover." "Ref calls it a turnover" (!!) "Duke knocked it away, but not before the turnover" These were travel calls, double dribbles, bouncing ball on a line. Even a couple of oob calls have been dubbed "turnovers". I haven't heard the word "travel" once, nor violation. Anyone else notice this?

Okay, Billy Packer said, "Ooo, that's a travel!" About 4 minutes left in the first half. I should have known he couldn't go a whole game without a bad call.

okay, a couple of "steps" and a couple of "palming" announcements. Maybe Billy Packer doesn't have to follow the rules?:D

Rainmaker. I'm posting just so you don't have to keep talking to yourself. :)

I can't speak for "anyone", but I didn't. ;)

And, I'm 87% certain that violations are turnovers in the stats.

...as are PC and TC fouls! :)

Which only goes to show that the only good turnovers are found in the bakery section.

If you can reduce the game to plays, baskets, and turnovers, even Billy Packer can speak intelligently about the game.

Okay, I'm just kidding ;)

I'm thiking silent movies where someone else writes the cue cards.

While "steps" and "palming" are not in the rule book, the terms pre-date those who wrote the rule book. They are not incorrect, just slang. Officials shouldn't use these terms, but announcers are entertainers, not educators.

Whatever else you do, don't turnover Billy Packer. I'd hate to see what's on the other side. :eek:

Mold?

Was the play-by-play guy in question Brent Musberger? As I recall, he has always been partial to: Whoever, with the turnover!

All violations and steals are considered turnovers in the box score. So the terminology is not wrong. The commentators are looking at the turnover stat as a gauge to who is winning or losing and why they are winning and losing. That is coach and player talk, not officiating talk. This is no different than how in football there is so much focus on 3 and outs. It is just another way to explain what is going on in the game. ;)

Peace

From JRutledge: "All violations and steals are considered turnovers in the box score."

When I coached, we called it a "turnover" everytime we had the ball and didn't get off a shot, so I would add team control and player control fouls to JRutledge's list. I'm not sure about blocked shots, but I think that it's also a turnover.

same thing

Does that include not getting off a shot at the end of a quarter because time runs out on you? I thought the other team had to get a possession for the event to be a turnover. Isn't that what turnover means - you "turned the ball over to the other team"?

Not totally sure. I think deadball rebounds may come into play.

Had to check the stats manual (NCAA):

A turnover occurs when a team, after gaining control of the ball or
having been entitled to the ball, does not produce a try for goal (field or free)
that would count if it goes in, before the opponent either gains control of the
ball, is entitled to the ball or scores a goal. (Exception: If the failure to produce a field-goal attempt is due to the expiration of time at the end of the half, game or overtime, then no turnover is charged.)

Philosophy. The purpose of a turnover is to reflect statistically the times in
which a team was given the ball and should have gotten some kind of shot but, before it could get any kind of shot, made some type of mistake that turned the ball over to the opponent. A turnover can only be charged against the offense; that is, the team with the ball. A team becomes the team with the ball when it has control (including during free throws) or is entitled to the ball for either a throw-in or a free throw.

BktBallRef agrees with you in response #6. ;)