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hbioteach Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:42am

Socks.
 
All members of Team A are wearing: one white sock with red dots and one red sock with white dots. Socks go to just below the knee. Are they legal?
Nothing in rulebook about socks. I made them remove them. Distracting and confusing and worn for adornment.

Are there restrictions on socks? Nothing clear in the rules or caseplays.
A1 wearing one long sock and one short sock?
A1 wearing different colored socks?
A1 is wearing 2 solid color socks same color as uniform top which extend above the knee?

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:47am

The only possible reason to have any player remove their socks was if there was pornography on them.

You were <b>wrong</b>. There are no rules restrictions re: socks.

BktBallRef Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:48am

There's no rule basis for having them remove them. You said it yourself, there's "Nothing in rulebook about socks."

Splute Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:49am

I am not aware of any rules regarding socks. Why are they distracting to you? Are u watching their legs?:D and dont tell me they were girls....:rolleyes:

Ch1town Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbioteach
All members of Team A are wearing: one white sock with red dots and one red sock with white dots. Socks go to just below the knee. Are they legal?
Nothing in rulebook about socks. I made them remove them. Distracting and confusing and worn for adornment.

Are there restrictions on socks? Nothing clear in the rules or caseplays.
A1 wearing one long sock and one short sock?
A1 wearing different colored socks?
A1 is wearing 2 solid color socks same color as uniform top which extend above the knee?

I don't believe socks are part of the uniform... but 3-5-1 is your friend if you were the referee & deemed the socks to be dangerous or confusing.

hbioteach Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:59am

Thanks but it seems odd.
 
As the rulebook is written there are no restrictions but it seems though NFHS is moving towards removing uniform/equipment which is worn for adornment and call attention to the players. They addressed the compression sleave on the arm and sweatbands above the elbow. How are unusual socks any different? Or socks which would normally be worn for soccer, worn in a basketball game?

Ch1town Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbioteach
As the rulebook is written there are no restrictions but it seems though NFHS is moving towards removing uniform/equipment which is worn for adornment and call attention to the players. They addressed the compression sleave on the arm and sweatbands above the elbow. How are unusual socks any different? Or socks which would normally be worn for soccer, worn in a basketball game?

Because socks aren't part of the uniform or equipment...

rainmaker Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:04am

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Originally Posted by hbioteach
As the rulebook is written there are no restrictions but it seems though NFHS is moving towards removing uniform/equipment which is worn for adornment and call attention to the players. They addressed the compression sleave on the arm and sweatbands above the elbow. How are unusual socks any different? Or socks which would normally be worn for soccer, worn in a basketball game?

They're different because they're not specifically mentioned. They aren't worn JUST for adornment. Everyone wears some sort of sock in their shoes. So the only question is what they look like. When that matters, it's addressed in the book. Otherwise (as in the case of socis) leave it alone.

Thank goodness for teen age girls who often seem to enjoy expressing their own individuality in their socks. It's just so cute;) !

kbilla Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbioteach
As the rulebook is written there are no restrictions but it seems though NFHS is moving towards removing uniform/equipment which is worn for adornment and call attention to the players. They addressed the compression sleave on the arm and sweatbands above the elbow. How are unusual socks any different? Or socks which would normally be worn for soccer, worn in a basketball game?

ok i'll pretend that i am one of the board "enforcers" and tell you what you are sure to hear any moment now.

the differenece is that the compression sleeve and sweatband issues that you raise above are addressed in the rules. you have no basis to enforce anything based on what the nf is "moving towards". there is no provision for you to call this so you are wrong. once the nf makes socks an issue then you will be able to make this ruling, until then stick to the rulings that are issued.

how'd i do?:p

rainmaker Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:05am

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Originally Posted by kbilla
ok i'll pretend that i am one of the board "enforcers" and tell you what you are sure to hear any moment now.

the differenece is that the compression sleeve and sweatband issues that you raise above are addressed in the rules. you have no basis to enforce anything based on what the nf is "moving towards". there is no provision for you to call this so you are wrong. once the nf makes socks an issue then you will be able to make this ruling, until then stick to the rulings that are issued.

how'd i do?:p

hey, kb, when we're on the same "side" we sound almost exactly alike!! too funny...:D

kbilla Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:08am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
hey, kb, when we're on the same "side" we sound almost exactly alike!! too funny...:D

ahh well rm i suppose i could do worse;)

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:09am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town
I don't believe socks are part of the uniform... but 3-5-1 is your friend if you were the referee & <font color = red>deemed the socks to be dangerous</font> or confusing.

The Attack of the Killer Socks.....

Coming soon to a theater near you.

kbilla Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:13am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Attack of the Killer Socks.....

Coming soon to a theater near you.

Ha! I KNEW there was a sense of humor in there somewhere!

mbyron Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:14am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The Attack of the Killer Socks.....

Would you believe:

http://images.sortprice.com/is/logo/...com_110x30.jpg

Bearfanmike20 Tue Dec 04, 2007 02:37pm

Well we as officials must wear black socks.. Correct??.. so why not a sock restriction for players??

kbilla Tue Dec 04, 2007 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Well we as officials must wear black socks.. Correct??.. so why not a sock restriction for players??

Why not a polyester restriction for players as well?!?:eek:

JRutledge Tue Dec 04, 2007 02:45pm

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Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Well we as officials must wear black socks. Correct??.. so why not a sock restriction for players??

Schools do not issue socks anymore. The NF took any reference to socks 8 or 9 years ago because schools or teams do not control what kind of socks. There was a rule that time about how many logos and the size of the logos on the socks. Well that was a disaster and the NF realized this was not an issue the rules should try to regulate.

Peace

Bearfanmike20 Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
Why not a polyester restriction for players as well?!?:eek:

Ya.. and why cant we all ref in leasure suits too...

http://www.harleyrace.com/images/kersten7.jpg

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 03:39pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
The only possible reason to have any player remove their socks was if there was pornography on them.

....or laser pointers. :eek:

BillyMac Tue Dec 04, 2007 07:21pm

Shoes and Socks
 
If I were a high school point guard, I wouldn't wear any shoes or socks that would call attention to my feet, maybe I might get away with a travel or two that I Iwouldn't get away with if I was wearing striped socks and bright orange shoes.

truerookie Tue Dec 04, 2007 07:37pm

Why? why? why? do we have to go and look for a reason to assert the little authority we have. Leave the socks alone!! GEESH!!

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 04, 2007 08:14pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
If I were a high school point guard, I wouldn't wear any shoes or socks that would call attention to my feet, maybe I might get away with a travel or two that I Iwouldn't get away with if I was wearing striped socks and bright orange shoes.

I've known coaches that actually insisted that their players wear black shoes. They think that they might steal the odd close OOB call by an official not noticing a black shoe barely touch a black boundary line. They reason that it's harder to pick up than a white shoe on a black line.

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 04, 2007 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
I've known coaches that actually insisted that their players wear black shoes. They think that they might steal the odd close OOB call by an official not noticing a black shoe barely touch a black boundary line. They reason that it's harder to pick up than a white shoe on a black line.

That's why I think the NF should decree all boundary lines to be puce.

Jurassic Referee Tue Dec 04, 2007 09:44pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
That's why I think the NF should decree all boundary lines to be puce.

Aw, they'd just puce on their shoes then.

rainmaker Tue Dec 04, 2007 09:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
I've known coaches that actually insisted that their players wear black shoes. They think that they might steal the odd close OOB call by an official not noticing a black shoe barely touch a black boundary line. They reason that it's harder to pick up than a white shoe on a black line.

The TV announcers for a football game last weekend were recommending this. That's how good an idea it is....:(

PYRef Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:37pm

I have to admit that I am a little befuddled that funky socks aren't an issue. Yes they are not part of the "uniform", but they do want us to enforce such inane things as all players having the same color hair control device (aka a 1/2 inch piece of pre-wrap). Someone please reasonably tell me why that is important, but not fluorescent, polka- dotted socks.

...and don't say, "because it's in the rules".:)

rainmaker Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:52pm

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Originally Posted by PYRef
but they do want us to enforce such inane things as all players having the same color hair control device (aka a 1/2 inch piece of pre-wrap).

Really??? Rules book reference?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYRef
Someone please reasonably tell me why that is important, but not fluorescent, polka- dotted socks.

...and don't say, "because it's in the rules".:)

Good grief, you want MORE details to have to monitor?? I don't. Thanks, anyway.

And why are fluorescent, polka-dotted socks important??? I don't get it... (but thanks for spelling fluorescent correctly!)

26 Year Gap Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:00pm

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Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Well we as officials must wear black socks.. Correct??.. so why not a sock restriction for players??

Oh, put a sock in it. ;)

refnrev Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:16am

[QUOTE=hbioteach]All members of Team A are wearing: one white sock with red dots and one red sock with white dots. Socks go to just below the knee. Are they legal?
Nothing in rulebook about socks. I made them remove them. Distracting and confusing and worn for adornment.

____________________

Adornment...You're obviously getting soccer and b'ball confused. Nothing B'ball about socks anywhere.

mbyron Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:39am

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
Oh, put a sock in it. ;)

Uh oh, he's stepped in it now.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 05, 2007 09:40am

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Uh oh, he's stepped in it now.

Now we're on another one of those pun threads. Darn it.

jkumpire Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:13am

Well Bob,

Just lace your shoes up, or pull up your boots and get to it.


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