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jsblanton Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:42pm

Just trying to avoid a violation
 
Before I give the ball to the shooter for a free throw, I look down to make sure everyone's feet are behind the lines. If I notice any of the kids along the lane over the lines I say something like,"let it touch, check your feet, (and I tell how many shots). My question is: am I coaching or giving an advantage to one team or the other by doing this?

Terrapins Fan Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:51pm

Less is my in my book.

" 2 shots"

"1 shot"

If I get some one entering early , next time, I might say " let it hit the rim"

Less is more.

Adam Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:55pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan
If I get some one entering early , next time, I might say " let it hit the rim"

Please don't say that. It doesn't have to hit the rim. They can also enter once it hits the backboard.

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:56pm

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Originally Posted by jsblanton
My question is: am I coaching or giving an advantage to one team or the other by doing this?

Some might consider it coaching. I consider it preventative officiating. What level are you talking about here, btw? For Jr High and below, I would definitely be a little more verbal. But for high school games, I would expect them to know by now that they can't be touching the lines.

jsblanton Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:59pm

I am only in my 2nd year. I do middle school and frosh. mostly.

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan
Less is more in my book.

" 2 shots"

"1 shot"

In the spirit of "less is more", why are you telling them that there are 2 shots? Of course there are shots coming. Why else would we be lined up along the free throw lane like this? All you need to say is "TWO!" or "one" or whatever. Somebody's just going to turn to you once the shooter has the ball and ask "Two, ref?" anyway.

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I might say " let it hit the rim"
In the spirit of "less is more", if you must say something, just say "let it hit".

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:01pm

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Originally Posted by jsblanton
I am only in my 2nd year. I do middle school and frosh. mostly.

In middle school, I have no problem with a little "coaching". As freshman, they should probably know how things work.

jsblanton Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:02pm

Thanks for the help scrapper:)

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:05pm

I should mention that if you prefer the "more is more" philosophy, then my favorite directions usually go something like, "Ok, guys, we had a good hoop, so we got one shot coming here. Watch your feet, and make sure you wait till it hits. Go straight in, no pushing, ok? Here we go, shooter. One shot!"

I love working with that guy. :rolleyes:

bob jenkins Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:26pm

Suppose that before you administered the FT, A was in one of the lower blocks and B had three players along the line. A had a player off the line, but below the FT line extended. Would you fix it, or administer the FT and call the violations? Same thing in your play with the toes on the line.

Ignats75 Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:34pm

If I see someone "pushing the envelope" as it were, I tend to say, "One Shot. Make sure it hits." To me, thats preventative officiating.

JRutledge Sat Dec 01, 2007 01:37am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Please don't say that. It doesn't have to hit the rim. They can also enter once it hits the backboard.

I say "let it hit." If they cannot figure it out after that then that is their problem.

Peace

inigo montoya Sat Dec 01, 2007 01:03pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
In middle school, I have no problem with a little "coaching". As freshman, they should probably know how things work.

Depends if it's guys or girls...seems like a lot of freshmen girls haven't played much either.

IREFU2 Sat Dec 01, 2007 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by jsblanton
Before I give the ball to the shooter for a free throw, I look down to make sure everyone's feet are behind the lines. If I notice any of the kids along the lane over the lines I say something like,"let it touch, check your feet, (and I tell how many shots). My question is: am I coaching or giving an advantage to one team or the other by doing this?

Like others have said, preventive officiating. I usually bounce the ball a couple of times and look around to make sure everything is okay and everyone is set, then administer the FT.

kbilla Sat Dec 01, 2007 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I should mention that if you prefer the "more is more" philosophy, then my favorite directions usually go something like, "Ok, guys, we had a good hoop, so we got one shot coming here. Watch your feet, and make sure you wait till it hits. Go straight in, no pushing, ok? Here we go, shooter. One shot!"

I love working with that guy. :rolleyes:

this is the same guy who is jumping in the huddle after the team just took their first to going "ok coach 2 fulls 2 30's left!"


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