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Rita C Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:59pm

T mechanics
 
Coach does something that deserves a T.

Please outline the steps you now take.

Rita

JRutledge Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:08pm

Could you be a little more specific? What was the T for? What mechanics apply? What kind of game were you officiating or watching?

Peace

Ignats75 Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:09pm

  1. Blow Whistle
  2. Make T sign
  3. go to reporting area and report foul to table
  4. if necessary, discuss questions with table
  5. have partner explain to offending coach how to fasten his seatbelt. (discussed during pregame)
  6. administer free throws
  7. inbound at half court

bigdog5142 Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:34pm

Do your best to keep emotion out of your signaling while doing what Ignats said. I've seen a lot of officials "grandstand" a bit with emotion and it does nothing but keep the fires burning! However, easy to say...hard to do.

refnrev Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:37pm

Don't "break the fingers of your hand" when you make the T signal, Just do it ina calm professional manner. Showboating doesn't help anyone.

CLH Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:41am

1. Whistle, T sign (make it look really cool, yet unemotional)
2. Partner needs to get to you before you go to the table, especially in a 3-person crew, discuss who the T is on, which end the shots will take place, and how we are resuming play (this should only take a few seconds, it keeps you from looking dumb when the whole crew doesn't know whats up)
4. Report to the table (again look really cool, everyones watching, but still be unemotional)
5. Go opposite, get away from the coach, no good can come of you staying, and if a 2nd T needs to be given the perception is much better if it comes from the "innocent" party.


Trust me, I've called plenty of T's, this is one I know how to handle! I ejected a coach tonight in fact.

CLH Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH
1. Whistle, T sign (make it look really cool, yet unemotional)
2. Partner needs to get to you before you go to the table, especially in a 3-person crew, discuss who the T is on, which end the shots will take place, and how we are resuming play (this should only take a few seconds, it keeps you from looking dumb when the whole crew doesn't know whats up)
4. Report to the table (again look really cool, everyones watching, but still be unemotional)
5. Go opposite, get away from the coach, no good can come of you staying, and if a 2nd T needs to be given the perception is much better if it comes from the "innocent" party.


Trust me, I've called plenty of T's, this is one I know how to handle! I ejected a coach tonight in fact.


Well don't I feel stupid now, I can't even number my little outline properly. :eek:

rainmaker Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH
1. Whistle, T sign (make it look really cool, yet unemotional)
2. Partner needs to get to you before you go to the table, especially in a 3-person crew, discuss who the T is on, which end the shots will take place, and how we are resuming play (this should only take a few seconds, it keeps you from looking dumb when the whole crew doesn't know whats up)
4. Report to the table (again look really cool, everyones watching, but still be unemotional)
5. Go opposite, get away from the coach, no good can come of you staying, and if a 2nd T needs to be given the perception is much better if it comes from the "innocent" party.


Trust me, I've called plenty of T's, this is one I know how to handle! I ejected a coach tonight in fact.

#2 is the most important part. NEVER neglect this step. If you're feeling emotional, or something frazzling just happened, this step also gives you a few seconds to calm down and pull yourself together.

Also, don't call the T on the coach if the opponent has a breaking play. Do call it right away if that T coach's players have a breaking play.

just another ref Fri Nov 30, 2007 02:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLH
1. Whistle, T sign (make it look really cool, yet unemotional)
2. Partner needs to get to you before you go to the table, especially in a 3-person crew, discuss who the T is on, which end the shots will take place, and how we are resuming play (this should only take a few seconds, it keeps you from looking dumb when the whole crew doesn't know whats up)
4. Report to the table (again look really cool, everyones watching, but still be unemotional)
5. Go opposite, get away from the coach, no good can come of you staying, and if a 2nd T needs to be given the perception is much better if it comes from the "innocent" party.


Trust me, I've called plenty of T's, this is one I know how to handle! I ejected a coach tonight in fact.


The unemotional part is good, the look cool part not so important.

Try not to seem quite this proud afterward.

TRef21 Fri Nov 30, 2007 02:26am

When I have given technical fouls, i use the NBA mechanic the two index figures. To me it seems that their type of technical foul signal makes the offiicials look less emotional when they give it. The big technical foul signal to me looks more agressive and shows an emotional part of the official even though he or she may not be emotional when given it. The steps I follow are:

1. Make sure I'm not killing a fast break or interupt the game in way that can cause crew problems (calling a technical foul on the head coach during a shot attempt for example).

2. Give the simple technical foul signal. For me the NBA T
3. report the T to the table. Direct Technical foul Red head coach or whoever it's on.

4. Get the crew together and discuss what I have, how many we are shooting if any, and how play is to resumed ( this is either can also be step 3 if we have multiple technical fouls or something wierd, or if i get that feeling that we need to discuss the procedure before reporting.)

5. Go opposite table if i have to and continue on with the game

Nevadaref Fri Nov 30, 2007 06:02am

I prefer order that Tref21 wrote. I would rather report to the table first then talk to my partners. I don't want one of my partners running over to me to talk before I report anything, unless what I'm about to report is wrong.

MOFFICIAL Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignats75
  1. Blow Whistle
  2. Make T sign
  3. go to reporting area and report foul to table
  4. if necessary, discuss questions with table
  5. have partner explain to offending coach how to fasten his seatbelt. (discussed during pregame)
  6. administer free throws
  7. inbound at half court

Do you put fist up along with whistle blast indicating foul then proceed with the listed mechanics above?

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRef21
When I have given technical fouls, i use the NBA mechanic the two index figures. To me it seems that their type of technical foul signal makes the offiicials look less emotional when they give it. The big technical foul signal to me looks more agressive and shows an emotional part of the official even though he or she may not be emotional when given it. The steps I follow are:

1. Make sure I'm not killing a fast break or interupt the game in way that can cause crew problems (calling a technical foul on the head coach during a shot attempt for example).

2. Give the simple technical foul signal. For me the NBA T
3. report the T to the table. Direct Technical foul Red head coach or whoever it's on.

4. Get the crew together and discuss what I have, how many we are shooting if any, and how play is to resumed ( this is either can also be step 3 if we have multiple technical fouls or something wierd, or if i get that feeling that we need to discuss the procedure before reporting.)

5. Go opposite table if i have to and continue on with the game

Excellent post. I also agree with the NBA-style T looking less emotional.

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOFFICIAL
Do you put fist up along with whistle blast indicating foul then proceed with the listed mechanics above?

I don't. I might stop the clock with an open hand, just out of habit, but I don't use a fist.

eyezen Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref
The unemotional part is good, the look cool part not so important.

Try not to seem quite this proud afterward.

I took it to mean "cool" as in calm and collected, not necessarily "cool" like the Fonz.

chartrusepengui Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:35am

A T is not a violation so the open hand is improper. A T is a foul and closed fist should be used.

Ignats75 Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOFFICIAL
Do you put fist up along with whistle blast indicating foul then proceed with the listed mechanics above?

I had to stop and think about that. I honestly don't think I ever have used either the open palm or fist. I just blow my whistle and give the T signal. Of course, most of the time, a T on the coach (or player for that matter) occurs when the ball is dead anyway.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:49am

Let me add:

1) Stop the clock uisng the fist.

2) It's not any different from any other foul. Report it and act emotionally the same way.

3) Leave it up to the calling official whether to stay tableside or go opposite. Even if s/he stays tableside initially, be alert to the possibility of going opposite before the throw-in, or a quick "unforced switch" after the ball gets in play.

JoeTheRef Fri Nov 30, 2007 09:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker[B
]#2 is the most important part. NEVER neglect this step. If you're feeling emotional, or something frazzling just happened, this step also gives you a few seconds to calm down and pull yourself together.[/B]

Also, don't call the T on the coach if the opponent has a breaking play. Do call it right away if that T coach's players have a breaking play.

Totally agree.. When I get with my partner I usually make it a very light-hearted meeting, but we make sure of what we got and what we're going to do. I also make it a point that which ever partner meets the calling official, that person informs the coach while the calling official reports the T.

CLH Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
I prefer order that Tref21 wrote. I would rather report to the table first then talk to my partners. I don't want one of my partners running over to me to talk before I report anything, unless what I'm about to report is wrong.


That's why you should talk with your partners first, before you report, because you could be about to do something wrong. Tech's are emotional parts of the game, like it or not, they are. This quick communication can keep you out of ALOT of trouble. :D

BTW, I was just joking about making the T signal look cool. Lighten up :p

bigbeardedbryan Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyezen
I took it to mean "cool" as in calm and collected, not necessarily "cool" like the Fonz.

Well, yeah. It's a "T," not an "ehhhhhhhhhh."

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 02:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui
A T is not a violation so the open hand is improper. A T is a foul and closed fist should be used.

I've never used a closed fist when calling a T. I've never seen anyone use a closed fist before signaling a T.

Believe it or not, I realize that a technical foul is not a violation. ;) But we use the open hand to stop the clock for reasons other than violations, as well. In my case, I'm simply saying stop the clock, and then giving the T signal to explain why I just stopped the clock.

Using a fist for a T would be very odd to see, I think.

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 30, 2007 02:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I've never used a closed fist when calling a T. I've never seen anyone use a closed fist before signaling a T.

Believe it or not, I realize that a technical foul is not a violation. ;) But we use the open hand to stop the clock for reasons other than violations, as well. In my case, I'm simply saying stop the clock, and then giving the T signal to explain why I just stopped the clock.

Using a fist for a T would be very odd to see, I think.

So what other mechanics will you be setting aside tonight? ;)

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Nov 30, 2007 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I've never used a closed fist when calling a T. I've never seen anyone use a closed fist before signaling a T.

Believe it or not, I realize that a technical foul is not a violation. ;) But we use the open hand to stop the clock for reasons other than violations, as well. In my case, I'm simply saying stop the clock, and then giving the T signal to explain why I just stopped the clock.

Using a fist for a T would be very odd to see, I think.

A1attempts a shot. Thinks he was fouled. No call. Opponent gets the rebound and as everyone is heading the other way, the player who thought he was fouled says, "That was a f***ing foul!!"

Why would you not raise your fist as you blow the whistle to assess the T?

Mark Dexter Fri Nov 30, 2007 05:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
A1attempts a shot. Thinks he was fouled. No call. Opponent gets the rebound and as everyone is heading the other way, the player who thought he was fouled says, "That was a f***ing foul!!"

Why would you not raise your fist as you blow the whistle to assess the T?

Force of habit. It looks and feels funny, and I've never been down-graded for NOT using the fist during a T.

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 30, 2007 06:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
Why would you not raise your fist as you blow the whistle to assess the T?

Probably because I think of the fist just for contact situations.

Like I said, I've never even seen somebody use a fist when calling a T. I just tried it out in the mirror and it looks stoopid.

Mark Dexter Fri Nov 30, 2007 06:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Probably because I think of the fist just for contact situations.

Like I said, I've never even seen somebody use a fist when calling a T. I just tried it out in the mirror and it looks stoopid.

Are you sure it's the signal? ;)

Rita C Fri Nov 30, 2007 07:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge
Could you be a little more specific? What was the T for? What mechanics apply? What kind of game were you officiating or watching?

Peace

I was purposely vague because I didn't want a case specific answer.

I haven't seen Ts given enough to have an idea of what should be done.

Rita

BillyMac Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:03pm

Technical Foul
 
Technical Fouls

Top Reasons To Not Give A Technical Foul
• You can address a coach before it becomes a problem. A quiet word can go a long way in preventing a technical foul.
• When coaches complain, ask yourself, is the call questionable, is the call wrong. If they have a legitimate gripe, then allow them some latitude.
• If you know a coach is upset then move away from him or her, even if it means that you and your partner are not switching or rotating properly.
• Warnings can be very effective in preventing situations from escalating. Don't tolerate a lot before a warning.
• Lend and ear. Coaches like to be heard. If you ignore them then they become more frustrated and are more likely to lose control.
• If an assistant is out of line, then you can speak to the head coach and ask them to help you out.
• If a player is out of line then let the coach know. Tell them you've warned their player. That way if you do give a technical foul, then the coach isn't surprised. Most good coaches will speak to the player first.
• If you have had a rough day and know your fuse is short, keep that in mind before you do anything rash. Ask yourself, does the situation come under one of the top reasons to give a technical foul.

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach
draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent. Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation:
• Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
• A coach questions your integrity.
• Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
• A coach is embarrassing an official.
• A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
• Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
• A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.

Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given:
• A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
• If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far.
• If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul
• Calling a technical foul should be no different then calling any other foul. It is simply a rule that requires a penalty. Maintain a pleasant attitude, have poise and presence. Don’t personalize it. Don't embarrass the coach by being demonstrative.
• Take your time. Don’t over react. Always sound the whistle and stop the clock with a foul signal. Signal the technical foul. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul. Proceed to the reporting area, report it to the table, and leave the area.
• Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box.
• Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. Always explain technical fouls on players to coaches.
• Proceed with the administration of the penalty. After technical fouls, put the ball in play immediately. Because a coach has been penalized with a technical foul does not mean that the coach is allowed rebuttal time.
• Make them earn the second technical foul. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it is warranted.
• Do not discuss a technical foul or an ejection of a player or coach beyond the confines of the gymnasium. Doing so is very unethical. The penalty is enough.

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 30, 2007 08:09pm

Here's the really cool mechanic to use when calling a technical. After showing both thumbs up, you move one thumb on top of the other to make the "T".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../94/Fonzie.jpg

rainmaker Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Here's the really cool mechanic to use when calling a technical. After showing both thumbs up, you move one thumb on top of the other to make the "T".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../94/Fonzie.jpg

Look, Mark, I think this is bad advice. I mean, without the leather jacket, the thumbs up is going to look like a held ball signal. Isn't that kinda confusing?:confused: :confused: :D

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
Look, Mark, I think this is bad advice. I mean, without the leather jacket, the thumbs up is going to look like a held ball signal. Isn't that kinda confusing?:confused: :confused: :D

Not if you're wearing a jump tee.

http://www.johnlewis.com/jl_assets/p.../000005869.jpg

TRef21 Sat Dec 01, 2007 03:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOFFICIAL
Do you put fist up along with whistle blast indicating foul then proceed with the listed mechanics above?

No I don't put my fist. I may put my had up to stop the clock (violation signal) and then assess the tech, but that was when I first started. Yes i know its not in the mechanic books. Now if a tech happens i usually just blow my whistle with two sharp blasts(tweet, tweet) and follow that procedure I use in the last post. I suggest do what makes you feel comfortable. If you are now go by the book and be mechanically correct in everything. I'm in my 5th season of high school and 3rd season of a college. I mostly now use my college mechanics in the h.s game because its just 2nd nature from me. I'm not big timing or anything, i just feel more comfortable using them. As you begin to move up or have established your self in the local association for a no. of years you begin to develop your own style which makes you look strong. This is just my opinion and what i have experienced in my officiating career.


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