Anyone watching the Indiana/Ga Tech game?

[jdw3018]

Just saw a designated spot violation called with the traveling mechanic...

[tjones1]

Looks like Ed Hightower, Burr, and ?.

[jdw3018]

One of the ?s is Steve Welmer...I'm not 100% sure on the other?

[tjones1]

Yep... Welmer... just saw him adjusting his pants while in C.

[tjones1]

Other is Burr. When I first typed it I could only see Ed as he was L, but then it went down to the other end - Burr came out with a call.

Who had the violation?

[jdw3018]

Ah, Burr. Thought that might be him. Burr is the one who called it.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Just saw a designated spot violation called with the traveling mechanic...

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Tell me it ain't so! Not in D-1.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by refnrev

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Tell me it ain't so! Not in D-1.

I've seen it countless times on TV in D-1 games. Officials get to that level by managing games and being believable, not by having book-perfect mechanics.

However, it is confounding to think that it never entered their mind that it is impossible to travel when pivot foot restrictions do not apply.

[BEAREF]

I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BEAREF

I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

My guess is these guys know this. My guess is they don't care because they think there should be a mechanic. My guess is they don't care because the coaches are smart enough to know what the call is when the use the mechanic.

My problem is when the 7th grade AAU coach is watching this and think the call was traveling, then thinks his players can't move their pivot foot during a throwin. You can usually tell these coaches by the way their players execute a throwin. If the thrower is pivoting off one foot like he's inbounds, his coach is 98.531341343513431% more likely to yell at you for not calling the other team's inbounder for traveling.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAREF
I plead ignorance...what mechanic should be used?

Originally Posted by tjones1

Open hand for a violation. There is no other approved mechanic.

That may be true for NCAA play, but there is a signal for this violation in NFHS rules.

The NFHS signal is #26 on the chart.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I've seen it countless times on TV in D-1 games. Officials get to that level by managing games and being believable, not by having book-perfect mechanics.

True...but in a non-insignificant number of times I've seen it called with the travel signal, there was no way the player moved out of the throwin spot....they merely shuffled thier feet. There is some non-small number of D1-TV refs that actually call this wrong....forget about the mechanic.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

True...but in a non-insignificant number of times I've seen it called with the travel signal, there was no way the player moved out of the throwin spot....they merely shuffled thier feet. There is some non-small number of D1-TV refs that actually call this wrong....forget about the mechanic.

I didn't necessarily want to add this, since I wasn't paying close attention, but when the call was made my reaction, aside from the mechanic used, was that the inbounder was still very close to the official to have moved outside the designated spot...and I thought, "surely he didn't just call him for moving his feet?!?"

[Texas Aggie]

I don't really care - it's a rarely seen violation and for the most part the message gets across either way. I just dislike using the traveling signal because it leads others to believe you must have a pivot foot during a throw-in.

I agree with your dislike of this mechanic, but my focus for dislike is that its WRONG. I disagree that it sends any other message to anyone about irrelevant rule requirements. The carrying and backcourt violation signals are the same, and in football, we use the "traveling" signal to communicate several fouls -- e.g. illegal formation, false start, and certain free kick infractions, to name a few. In none of these cases does one signal communicate false requirements for another rule.

I do, however, think that the reason some use the traveling signal on this is because they know everyone will then know what they called. If the used the correct signal, there would or might be confusion about what was called.