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fan Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:10pm

Apparel?
 
Can anyone give me a list of what players cannot wear during a game (nfhs)? For example, can girls wear earrings?

Thanks,

Adam Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by fan
Can anyone give me a list of what players cannot wear during a game (nfhs)? For example, can girls wear earrings?

Thanks,

I'm sure someone will post the rule. But the answer to your final query is no. Earrings are not allowed (boys or girls). Jewelry is not allowed, period.

The answer to the follow up question is also no. They may not tape over the jewelry. It must be removed in order for them to play.

JRutledge Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:17pm

There are a lot of things they cannot wear. Could you be a little more specific with what you are looking for?

Honestly there are so many things I do not know that anyone will be able to list everything.

Peace

fullor30 Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by fan
Can anyone give me a list of what players cannot wear during a game (nfhs)? For example, can girls wear earrings?

Thanks,

Only if they have a bag to match:)

Texas Aggie Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:21pm

Spiked motorcycle helmets is about all that comes to mind right now. Perhaps others can come up with one or two other things.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:26pm

They cannot wear Barry Manilow T-shirts. And not just during games. :rolleyes:

fan Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:27pm

My main concern was with earrings. In the past, someone has told me that they can put tape over their earrings and play.

Thanks

kbilla Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
There are a lot of things they cannot wear. Could you be a little more specific with what you are looking for?

Honestly there are so many things I do not know that anyone will be able to list everything.

Peace

How about a list of what they CAN wear?!?

1. Uniform,shoes,socks basically no limitation
2. Compression shorts not to extend below uniform shorts.
3. Undershirt same color as primary color of jersey if visible with no unhemmed sleeves or sleeves of unequal length.
4. Wristbands/headband, all same color as primary color of jersey or white and all team members same.
5. Brace/support worn for medical reasons with the limitation that it not be made of any hard plastic or metal and/or that it not be deemed dangerous by the official.
6. Hair control device again not made of any hard plastic or metal.
7. Medical alert device taped to chest
8. Other items (pants under shorts, skirts) for religious reasons

That was off the top of my head, am I missing anything??

No rubber bands, "LIVESTRONG" bands, or any of the other cause celeb bands that are hot that month...basically nothing that doesn't assist in the playing of basketball...that is why we're here right?

Splute Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:32pm

Basically anything that can hurt another player would not be allowed. That includes earrings, bobby pins, barrets, any hard hair clip, long finger nails, etc.

kbilla Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:32pm

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Originally Posted by fan
My main concern was with earrings. In the past, someone has told me that they can put tape over their earrings and play.

Thanks

Oh I have no doubt that you WERE in fact told that probably by a registered/certified official...this is the same official that I want to strangle every time a coach goes "BUT THE LAST REF LET HER WEAR THEM!" That damn Last Ref sure makes my life difficult...

JRutledge Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:33pm

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Originally Posted by fan
My main concern was with earrings. In the past, someone has told me that they can put tape over their earrings and play.

Thanks

No they cannot wear earrings with or without tape. The only penalty is they cannot play until they remove them.

Peace

Indianaref Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:46pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
5. Brace/support worn for medical reasons with the limitation that it not be made of any hard plastic or metal and/or that it not be deemed dangerous by the official.

a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable (soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the elbow, hand, finger, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons.

fullor30 Tue Nov 13, 2007 01:26pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
They cannot wear Barry Manilow T-shirts. And not just during games. :rolleyes:


NICE!

mbyron Tue Nov 13, 2007 01:58pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
They cannot wear Barry Manilow T-shirts. And not just during games. :rolleyes:

Careful: they CAN wear them, but if so they may not participate. ;)

rainmaker Tue Nov 13, 2007 02:55pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Careful: they CAN wear them, but if so they may not participate. ;)

.... in life, thinks Padgett.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 13, 2007 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
.... in life, thinks Padgett.

Juulie - you've been reading what I laughingly call "my mind". BTW - they can wear earrings if they take their ears off before play. I told a kid that once and he (yes, he - this is the 21st century) went over and asked his coach how he could do that. :p

26 Year Gap Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:01pm

So, Barry Manilow CDs make for a great gag gift in the Padgett household?

grunewar Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:07pm

I had a 13/14 f player show up last year with newly braided hair with lots of shells on the ends.....when I informed her she couldn't play, her coach and mom went absolutely nuts.

Thankfully, the league backed me.......do you know how long that takes and how much it costs?

Oh well, gotta do it outa season I suppose! :)

kbilla Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
I had a 13/14 f player show up last year with newly braided hair with lots of shells on the ends.....when I informed her she couldn't play, her coach and mom went absolutely nuts.

Thankfully, the league backed me.......do you know how long that takes and how much it costs?

Oh well, gotta do it outa season I suppose! :)

I wonder what the liability is on something like that, if you set aside a rule like that and a girl catches a shell in the eye and loses an eye...I'm not about to find out, but I wonder...

Nevadaref Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:49pm

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Originally Posted by fan
My main concern was with earrings. In the past, someone has told me that they can put tape over their earrings and play.

That someone is wrong. Here is the NFHS rule plus the accompanying play rulings:

3-5-7 . . . Jewelry is prohibited. Religious and medical-alert medals are not considered jewelry. A religious medal must be taped and worn under the uniform. A medical-alert medal must be taped and may be visible.


3.5 SITUATION B: The officials are on the court prior to the game observing the team warm-ups. One official notices that a member of Team A is wearing a decorative necklace. RULING: The official should inform the team member to remove the jewelry immediately. Upon compliance, the team member may continue to warm up with his or her teammates and may start the game without penalty.

3.5.6 SITUATION A: Substitute A6 is beckoned and enters the court to replace A1. A6 is wearing: (a) compression shorts below the game pants which extend below the knees; (b) cut-off jeans extending below the game pants; or (c) jewelry. RULING: The items in (a), (b) and (c) are illegal and A6 will not be allowed to participate while wearing the items. No penalty is involved. A6 simply cannot participate until the illegal items are removed. (3-5-7)

Nevadaref Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar
I had a 13/14 f player show up last year with newly braided hair with lots of shells on the ends.....when I informed her she couldn't play, her coach and mom went absolutely nuts.

Thankfully, the league backed me.......do you know how long that takes and how much it costs?

Oh well, gotta do it outa season I suppose! :)

2007-08 Major Editorial Changes
3-5-3d Clarified that hard items worn on the head are prohibited.

2007-08 NFHS Rules Book
3-5-3d Rubber, cloth or elastic bands may be used to control hair. Hard items, including, but not limited to, beads, barrettes and bobby pins, are prohibited.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 13, 2007 05:59pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
So, Barry Manilow CDs make for a great gag gift in the Padgett household?

Yes - they would make me gag. :o

BillyMac Tue Nov 13, 2007 06:46pm

Equipment ??
 
Players may not participate while wearing jewelry. Religious medals or medical alert medals are not considered jewelry. A religious medal must be taped and worn under the uniform. A medical alert medal must be taped and may be visible. Headbands and wristbands must be the predominant color of the jersey or white. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color and wear the items as intended. Only a single item may be worn on the head and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow and be a maximum of four inches. A single headband, if worn, must be no wider than two inches. Rubber or cloth elastic bands may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the jersey and shall not have frayed or ragged edges. State associations may on an individual basis, allow a player to participate while wearing a head covering, if it is worn for medical or religious reasons, provided that the covering is not abrasive, hard, or dangerous, and is attached in such a way that it is highly unlikely to come off during play. Written documentation should be available.

Adam Tue Nov 13, 2007 06:59pm

Maybe we should start including earrings in the common basketball myths.

JugglingReferee Tue Nov 13, 2007 07:12pm

But he's a 2-time Grammy winner!
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Yes - they would make me gag. :o


http://www.barrynet.com/images/barrytimesthree.jpg

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 13, 2007 08:16pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Gee - from "Steroid" on the left to "Adnoid" on the right. Zito just doesn't belong here. :p

26 Year Gap Tue Nov 13, 2007 08:35pm

http://www.starz.bz/barrymanilow/pro...m?product=2141

Jimgolf Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:56am

The usual jewelry argument seems to be that the ears were just pierced and the earring must stay in for some amount of time, so could we please tape the ears up and let the kid play. While this is a legitimate concern, and the earring could be considered medical in nature (it is being used to prevent infection and keep the piercing opened) it would be prohibited anyway, similar to a cast or metal brace.

Two questions: If the kid comes in with taped up ears and there is no visible sign of jewelry, do you ask if he/she is wearing earrings, then prohibit the player from participating if the answer is yes and allow it if the answer is no?

If there were some soft material that could be inserted into the opening to keep it from closing and prevent infection, would that be permitted? I'm not sure if such a material exists, but I sense a marketing opportunity here if it does.

kbilla Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:09am

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Originally Posted by Jimgolf
The usual jewelry argument seems to be that the ears were just pierced and the earring must stay in for some amount of time, so could we please tape the ears up and let the kid play. While this is a legitimate concern, and the earring could be considered medical in nature (it is being used to prevent infection and keep the piercing opened) it would be prohibited anyway, similar to a cast or metal brace.

Two questions: If the kid comes in with taped up ears and there is no visible sign of jewelry, do you ask if he/she is wearing earrings, then prohibit the player from participating if the answer is yes and allow it if the answer is no?

If there were some soft material that could be inserted into the opening to keep it from closing and prevent infection, would that be permitted? I'm not sure if such a material exists, but I sense a marketing opportunity here if it does.

If someone comes in with taped up ears, yeah that's the first thing I'm going to find out if there are earrings underneath....and I don't know what type of "soft" material you would put in there because the rule is for the player's safety as much as anything else...seems like a soft material could just as easily get snagged and ripped out as anything else...

SmokeEater Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:48am

I recently had a player and his mother come up to me before a scrimmage to show me these new earings he had on. Well at least I never seen them before, They were called safety studs .... The posts on the back were completely enclosed by a cover so the earing couldn't come out of the ear or pierce the players neck or scratch any other player. I showed my partner, talked to both coaches and got the mother to sign off on liability and let the kid play in the scrim. I personally have never seen any basketball player get hurt from earings. Football is another matter had a kid get a hoop ripped out of his ear when his helmet got ripped off his head.

rainmaker Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Jimgolf
The usual jewelry argument seems to be that the ears were just pierced and the earring must stay in for some amount of time, so could we please tape the ears up and let the kid play. While this is a legitimate concern, and the earring could be considered medical in nature (it is being used to prevent infection and keep the piercing opened) it would be prohibited anyway, similar to a cast or metal brace.

Two questions: If the kid comes in with taped up ears and there is no visible sign of jewelry, do you ask if he/she is wearing earrings, then prohibit the player from participating if the answer is yes and allow it if the answer is no?

If there were some soft material that could be inserted into the opening to keep it from closing and prevent infection, would that be permitted? I'm not sure if such a material exists, but I sense a marketing opportunity here if it does.

1. The piercing won't get infected or close up in an hour or so. It can be tricky to get the earring back in for the first week or two, but not impossible.

2. A little thread, strung through a needle, sterilized with alcohol, and then run through the peircing and the ends tied and trimmed is safe, I think, and the earring is easier to get back in. This idea may pacify a mom, if she has that sort of thing available.

3. If there's tape or a bandaid, I ALWAYS ask. If they say no, I ask what the bandaid is for. If they insist there's no earring, I ask to see. Only once have I seen a bandaid that the girl had put on carefully to protect a new piercing without an earring. This is legal.

4. If they get testy, I point out that having a newly pierced ear ripped by a snag of the earring is no fun, and not covered by my insurance. THey usually get the point. (That goes double for a navel piercing)

fullor30 Fri Nov 16, 2007 01:19pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
1. The piercing won't get infected or close up in an hour or so. It can be tricky to get the earring back in for the first week or two, but not impossible.

2. A little thread, strung through a needle, sterilized with alcohol, and then run through the peircing and the ends tied and trimmed is safe, I think, and the earring is easier to get back in. This idea may pacify a mom, if she has that sort of thing available.

3. If there's tape or a bandaid, I ALWAYS ask. If they say no, I ask what the bandaid is for. If they insist there's no earring, I ask to see. Only once have I seen a bandaid that the girl had put on carefully to protect a new piercing without an earring. This is legal.

4. If they get testy, I point out that having a newly pierced ear ripped by a snag of the earring is no fun, and not covered by my insurance. THey usually get the point. (That goes double for a navel piercing)

I've said in rec leagues and AAU stuff, if I have to take out my nipple ring, they gotta remove their hardware.

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 16, 2007 01:28pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30
I've said in rec leagues and AAU stuff, if I have to take out my nipple ring, they gotta remove their hardware.

I usually ask boys before the tip if any of them have nipple rings. It always gets a laugh, but once I actually had a kid go over to the bench and take one off! This was a HS rec game.

And Juulie, before you ask, no - I never ask girls. Go ahead, call me a sexist. :p

kbilla Fri Nov 16, 2007 01:37pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
I recently had a player and his mother come up to me before a scrimmage to show me these new earings he had on. Well at least I never seen them before, They were called safety studs .... The posts on the back were completely enclosed by a cover so the earing couldn't come out of the ear or pierce the players neck or scratch any other player. I showed my partner, talked to both coaches and got the mother to sign off on liability and let the kid play in the scrim. I personally have never seen any basketball player get hurt from earings. Football is another matter had a kid get a hoop ripped out of his ear when his helmet got ripped off his head.

but couldn't you still get a jersey, thread, etc wrapped around the front of it and have it rip out of his/her ear? no way in heck i am letting someone play with that, at least until the fed decides that it is ok....

kbilla Fri Nov 16, 2007 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
1. The piercing won't get infected or close up in an hour or so. It can be tricky to get the earring back in for the first week or two, but not impossible.

2. A little thread, strung through a needle, sterilized with alcohol, and then run through the peircing and the ends tied and trimmed is safe, I think, and the earring is easier to get back in. This idea may pacify a mom, if she has that sort of thing available.

3. If there's tape or a bandaid, I ALWAYS ask. If they say no, I ask what the bandaid is for. If they insist there's no earring, I ask to see. Only once have I seen a bandaid that the girl had put on carefully to protect a new piercing without an earring. This is legal.

4. If they get testy, I point out that having a newly pierced ear ripped by a snag of the earring is no fun, and not covered by my insurance. THey usually get the point. (That goes double for a navel piercing)

Here's an idea. DON"T GET YOUR EARS PIERCED RIGHT BEFORE/DURING THE SEASON!!! I have never understood what is so hard about that?

SmokeEater Fri Nov 16, 2007 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by kbilla
but couldn't you still get a jersey, thread, etc wrapped around the front of it and have it rip out of his/her ear? no way in heck i am letting someone play with that, at least until the fed decides that it is ok....

Yea sure I suppose its possible. But I think if his head is that close to another players uniform there is bigger problems. I did actually think about it and got the Mommy to sign off responsibility. Its Never gonna happen in a regular sanctioned game however.

Adam Fri Nov 16, 2007 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
Yea sure I suppose its possible. But I think if his head is that close to another players uniform there is bigger problems. I did actually think about it and got the Mommy to sign off responsibility. Its Never gonna happen in a regular sanctioned game however.

Really? Players reach around other players all the time. Some players wear t-shirts and the like. I wouldn't think it's all that uncommon for one player's sleeve to rub against another player's ear.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Nov 16, 2007 02:41pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
I recently had a player and his mother come up to me before a scrimmage to show me these new earings he had on. Well at least I never seen them before, They were called safety studs .... The posts on the back were completely enclosed by a cover so the earing couldn't come out of the ear or pierce the players neck or scratch any other player. I showed my partner, talked to both coaches and got the mother to sign off on liability and let the kid play in the scrim. I personally have never seen any basketball player get hurt from earings. Football is another matter had a kid get a hoop ripped out of his ear when his helmet got ripped off his head.


SmokeEater:

Nothing you did before the start of the scrimmage was correct. NFHS rules strictly prohibit the wearin of jewelry. That said, having the player's mother sign off regarding liability is meaningless in a court of law for the following reasons: 1) You and your partner as the game officials, from a legal standpoint, are the rules experts. You know that the prohibition is a safety issue and you willfully allowed a safety rule to be violated. If a player gets hurt because you (includes your partner) allowed the player to violate a safety rule, you a are legally liable for his injuries. You knew what the rule was and allowed the rule to be violated. 2) A cannot sign away a minor child's legal right to waive the safety rule, meaning if the child gets hurt because you failed to enforce a safety rule, the parent's signature means nothing. You still let a safety rule to be violated and a player got hurt as a result of your negligence.

This school year will be my 37th year as a H.S. basketball official and my 34th year as a college basketball official and I have never had a player get hurt in one of my games because they were wearing earrings, because I don't allow it.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Go BUCKEYES!!! Beat that team from up north tomorrow.

SmokeEater Fri Nov 16, 2007 03:00pm

Mark that may be true in the USA where people get sued for looking at each other crosseyed. I can't say for sure but I think as long as the legal parent or guardian takes the responsibility for the child ( as long as no other person(s)) will be involved. Then I am not liable. That being said, I have agreed that it was not a normal situation and would not allow it to happen at a regularly sanctioned game. This was a pre preseason scrimmage where the teams were jsut starting out for the year and they had us out to run some FIBA rules for them to get used to. It was overly informal, running time, unlimited number of time outs all for the purpose of the coaches seeing the kids on the floor. I agree with what you are saying Mark, 100% and in hindsight it could have been a bad experience. I for one have never seen an incident involving earrings in 27 years though and after consulting with my partner, coaches and parent we went with what we had.

BY RULE NO JEWELERY IS TO BE WORN. I know this rule and want to re enforce it to anyone who is thinking that it can be arbitrarily ignored.

Thanks for your comments. I learn each time I go on the floor.

Mark Padgett Fri Nov 16, 2007 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by SmokeEater
I showed my partner, talked to both coaches and got the mother to sign off on liability and let the kid play in the scrim.

And, of course, you got every parent of every other kid to sign off also in case their kid got hurt and the waiver was written by an attorney who has experience in writing these waivers and you got permission to do this by the governing authority and had all the parents waive the governing authorities liability also, etc., etc, etc. Suuuuuuuuure you did.

Buddy, you're just asking for so much trouble even Judge Judy couldn't get you off the hook! :eek:

I guess you're that ref we keep hearing about who let the kid play with earrings in the last game. Now we know. Thanks for confessing. :p

SmokeEater Fri Nov 16, 2007 03:08pm

HAHA. I can see where this is going. I won't say I made a great decision. I won't say I made the decision myself. I for one was against it in the begining but did cave in. I didnt need every other players parents to consent as the earring posed no danger to anyone else (In our combined Opinon). WE GOT LUCKY ON THAT REGARD, in hindsight. I admit it. Please don't confuse my simple example of something that could happen with something I condone. It happened that time I shared my experience and have stated it wont happen in sanctioned games in my area. I also don't want anyone to preach the gospel rulebooks to me we all know the rule is No jewelry is to be worn. Ok I admit it. :o :D

See even after 27 years I still am learning.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Nov 16, 2007 03:17pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
And, of course, you got every parent of every other kid to sign off also in case their kid got hurt and the waiver was written by an attorney who has experience in writing these waivers and you got permission to do this by the governing authority and had all the parents waive the governing authorities liability also, etc., etc, etc. Suuuuuuuuure you did.

Buddy, you're just asking for so much trouble even Judge Judy couldn't get you off the hook! :eek:

I guess you're that ref we keep hearing about who let the kid play with earrings in the last game. Now we know. Thanks for confessing. :p


Mark:

Glad to see you are back on your meds. :D

MTD, Sr.


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