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FrankHtown Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:43am

Overture....then I hit a flat note
 
Opening game of the season, running 2-person , Girls Varsity. Team A coach...nice guy...did a few of his scrimmages. I'm U....opening tip. Team B jumper and team A jumper go up for ball, tap it, then Team B jumper grabs the ball and passes it to a team mate. I stand there, chop the clock in and say to myself...something's not right. So we're going in Team B's direction, and I pass Coach A. His comment: "I guess you're not gonna have that perfect night tonight." I cracked up, realizing 2 seconds into the first game, and I've already screwed up.

M&M Guy Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:48am

If you're gonna hit the flat note, it's better to do at the beginning of the concert, rather than during the encore.

just another ref Wed Nov 07, 2007 02:24pm

This is a perfect example of a call which prompts the question: When is it too late? Frank, how much time had passed when the coach made this comment and you realized what had happened? Group, we have a rule of thumb on this or just play it by ear? IOW, must we make this call "immediately," whatever that means, before the violator passes the ball, or.....when?

Splute Wed Nov 07, 2007 04:13pm

You would expect to call this right away. If it is missed, I do not believe it is a game breaker. In reality, we are just determining who gets the ball first and setting the AP. No biggie in my opinion.... other than living with the fact you started the game on a sour note. :)

bigdog5142 Wed Nov 07, 2007 06:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankHtown
Opening game of the season, running 2-person , Girls Varsity. Team A coach...nice guy...did a few of his scrimmages. I'm U....opening tip. Team B jumper and team A jumper go up for ball, tap it, then Team B jumper grabs the ball and passes it to a team mate. I stand there, chop the clock in and say to myself...something's not right. So we're going in Team B's direction, and I pass Coach A. His comment: "I guess you're not gonna have that perfect night tonight." I cracked up, realizing 2 seconds into the first game, and I've already screwed up.

That's classic...at least the coach could laugh about it. :)

mick Wed Nov 07, 2007 09:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankHtown
So we're going in Team B's direction, and I pass Coach A. His comment: "I guess you're not gonna have that perfect night tonight." I cracked up, realizing 2 seconds into the first game, and I've already screwed up.

Good story, Franktown. :)

Back In The Saddle Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:56pm

That is classic! :D

My rule of thumb on "too late" is when it "feels" too late. Generally that's when they've moved on to the next play (made a pass, started/stopped dribble, made a move on the basket, taken a shot, turnover, violation, etc.) or when more than about 2 seconds has passed.

Nevadaref Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:53am

Franktown,
Why do you feel that YOU missed this call? In fact, your partner missed it.
You could have helped with the violation, but it was the R's PCA.

Let's review:
You were the Umpire; he was the Referee. One of the two jumpers violated during the jump.

Officials Manual page 18:

2.2.1 B5
Jump Ball
Referee (or designated tosser):
Have primary responsibility for action of jumpers.

So you were still perfect two seconds into the game. :)

Splute Thu Nov 08, 2007 07:52am

Thats good to know, Nevada. I too thought it was U's (non tosser) responsibility. Besides, it may take me a full 2-seconds to get the whistle in my mouth after I toss. :)

just another ref Thu Nov 08, 2007 08:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
My rule of thumb on "too late" is when it "feels" too late.

I agree with this and, when in doubt, it is not too late.

Camron Rust Thu Nov 08, 2007 01:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Franktown,
Why do you feel that YOU missed this call? In fact, your partner missed it.
You could have helped with the violation, but it was the R's PCA.

Let's review:
You were the Umpire; he was the Referee. One of the two jumpers violated during the jump.

Officials Manual page 18:

2.2.1 B5
Jump Ball
Referee (or designated tosser):
Have primary responsibility for action of jumpers.

So you were still perfect two seconds into the game. :)

If you see it and it needs to be called, you call it. Not calling this makes you both look bad.


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