Nevada basketball player
 

Interesting story:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegebas...story/10441608

A Nevada basketball player was at a campus party, was knocked unconsious and robbed...and then kicked off the team.

Yeah, I read that earlier. The player was instructed by the coach not to go to go out on the night the incident happen. I guess he took his chances and this is what happened.

It pays to listen to your elders!!

Kicked off the team for violating team rules. He was directed not to go to the party. The coach is showing he's tough on the rules, but I think it looks bad in a sense because the player is a victim and he's being kicked off the team. Maybe now victims will be afraid of retribution from employers, etc.

Not always around here... ;)

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. There's a chance some other members of the team were there, so will they get the same punishment? Also, some members of the football team were there, but they will not get kicked off the team because this was a rule specifically instituted by the basketball coach.

That's what caught my eye.

[QUOTE=M&M Guy]Not always around here... ;)

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. There's a chance some other members of the team were there, so will they get the same punishment?

I noticed that too . I think this player my have had some additional rules infractions prior to the incident and this is why the coach took the position he did.

Nice job by the coach imo. He violated the rules and has to pay the price. If he listens and stays home he doesn't get the crap beat out of him at the party. Tough lesson for the kid, hopefully he learns from it.

Isn't the Nevada coach the same guy who went off on the officials last March, to the point where police were involved?

Yep.

Well then, I'm siding with the player. ;)

You're not bitter at all, are you?

You're confusing me with Dan. I'm skeptical.

No no no. I'm a prick.

JR is the bitter one.

Can you say "Double standard?" There, I knew you could.

Beat me to it Junker....

There is a reason parents and coaches ask kids/players to do or not do things...it's unfortunate this young man had to learn the hard way.

What if the player did something before and the coach said, "I'm going to let this one slide" and now this happened?

When would be the right time to stop keeping score and make the player pay?

I'm not on either side, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

After thinking about it, I don't know if I could bring myself to kick the kid off the team unless this wasn't the first thing he's done.

I want to be a prick when I grow up too.

Just saying........

From the article: "Fox said Hanson already had been held out of a scrimmage on Saturday for violating team rules.

"He again violated our policy by going out socially that evening while he had been directed not to," Fox said."


So it looks like he was held out of the scrimmage saturday for a previous team rules violation, was told not to go to the party saturday night, went to the party, got beat up and robbed, got kicked off the team.

Okay, in all seriousness, I'd give the benefit of the doubt to the coach here. Coaches aren't normally in a rush to kick scholarship athletes off the team right before the season starts. It's not like he can fill the scholarship now; for this season.

If the kid was warned and went anyway, he risked exposure. Just because the exposure came the way it did doesn't exonerate him.

When I got back from overseas, we were put on a restricted leave during which we could not leave a 50 mile radius from our home base. Nothing really stopped us from leaving, but we were told directly, "If you get into a car accident or something and you're somewhere you're not supposed to be...."

This isn't all that different.

Based on this, cheers to the coach for actually having a pair...

I will admit the coach was right in kicking the player off the team, but...if a rogue prosecutor gets a hold of this...hmmmm, coach might get in hot water. I'm thinking along the lines of violating victim's rights. The prosecutor could go after the coach for denying the player an education by taking away his scholarship, etc, etc. That's why I said earlier, it doesn't look good when the victim gets kicked off the team in the end.

There is absolutely no connection between his victimization in this crime, and his being kicked off the team, from a legal standpoint. Absolutely nothing for a "prosecutor" to do here.

Serious??:confused:
IMO, getting the crap kicked out of him and getting kicked off the team are unrelated.

FWIW, it wouldn't be the prosecutor that would have an issue with the coach. It would be some greazy, liberal lawyer.:D

Holy Crap! Triple homicide involved as well? Also, according to the foxsports report, more hoops players may have been there before the fight broke out and may have also violated policy. Might be more dismissals in the future.

This is where it might get interesting - if there are other players present, and this is their first offense, do they stay on the team? Is there something in writing about a second offense of team policy merits dismissal? All things we don't know, but it's interesting to watch.

I seriously doubt it was the first thing the kid did wrong. But that's not the point...the point is that this coach had to be restrained by police from attacking an official and then was not "punished" or suspended or anything. And now he kicks the player off the team (deservedly so IMO), so it sure smacks of a double standard to me.

Since when is a college education a right? Since when is a scholarship an ironclad guarantee? And exactly how does getting kicked off the team equate to being denied an education? If you ask me, his education has officially just begun.

I can't really see it being overturned. From what I got everyone (admins) is backing the coach on his decision.

Actually listening to what a coach says? No way...that'd be way too easy!

One of the guys with a gun who has been arrested for the beating is the younger brother of a Nevada football player. :eek:

Three young people are dead. Two are arrested and in jail. One more is being tracked down by the police. A basketball player has been dismissed from the team and will transfer to another school.

What seems to have sparked the whole thing is that someone bumped someone else while dancing. :(

Simply a terrible situation.

According to foxsports, the dancer was the now-dismissed basketball player.

You're right, Nevada, it's terrible all the way around.

He's only a victim of his own idiocy. Quit making excuses for him. He was told not to go. He went. He suffers the consequences.

Stop, stop, stop!!! You are KILLING me with this logic. Dude broke a rule. He knew there would be consequences to face. He wasn't kicked off the team for getting beat up and robbed. He was kicked off for being stupid.

To his credit, from what I read, the kid is not blaming the coach. He's owning up to his responsibility here.

We'll see just how sincere his "owning up" is if he doesn't go out and hire a lawyer to try and get reinstated.

From an article in a local paper:

Hanson, a solid 3-point shooter, was not present at the press conference, but the university released a statement from him.

"This has been a very trying past few days for me," Hanson said. "However, the real victims in this are the three people who lost their lives. I extend my deepest sympathies to their friends and families.

"I have enjoyed my time here at Nevada, and I am sad to see it come to an end. I want to thank coach Fox for helping me understand what it means to be a man. I thank my teammates for their support and also thank my coaches for their assistance on and off the court."

Update
 

Associated Press
RENO — One of two 19-year-old men arrested in connection with a triple homicide at a Halloween party over the weekend was formally charged with murder in a criminal complaint filed Wednesday afternoon.
Samisoni Taukitoku was charged with three counts of murder with the use of a firearm for the Oct. 28 shooting deaths of Charles Coogan Kelly, 21, Truckee, Derek Kyle Jensen, 23, Reno, and Nathan Viljoen, 23, Fallon.
Tauikitoku and Saili Manu, who police say crashed the college party with Tauikitoku, each were charged Wednesday with assault with a deadly weapon and with coercion for the beating of University of Nevada, Reno basketball player Tyrone Hanson, 20. Reno police said the killings were prompted after Tauikitoku bumped Hanson on the dance floor and then allegedly beat him unconscious and robbed him.
Chief Deputy District Attorney Dan Greco told the Reno Gazette-Journal more charges could be possible against Manu and that he is awaiting final police reports until deciding. The complaint alleges that Taukitoku shot the men one or more times with a .380 caliber semiautomatic handgun and that the shooting occurred with ‘‘malice, aforethought, deliberation and premeditation.’’
In the coercion count, both men are accused of grabbing, punching and or kicking Hanson as he tried to leave the party. One of the men, the complaint said, committed the act and the second aided and abetted the attacker by acting as an enforcer or lookout, or by overcoming resistance from the victim and or any other person.
Taukitoku is charged with pointing a gun at Hansons head and Manu is accused of displaying a gun to one or more people and trying to fire it.
Hanson, a 6-foot-6 sophomore forward from New York, was severely beaten at the party early Sunday.
Nevada basketball coach Mark Fox announced Tuesday night he had dismissed Hanson from the team.

The Baptists were right -- no good can come from dancing.

Not if you're Mike Nifong! :eek:

You obviously don't teach at the college level. I do...you can't imagine how many students think a college education is a right, not a privilege. BTW, if you haven't noticed, our "esteemed" President in Washington, D.C., seems to think the same thing. He's talking about instituting some type of No Child Left Behind law for post-secondary institutions. That guarantees college education is a right, not a privilege.

I was just throwing a hypothetical. You obviously have had issues with devil's advocates in your lifetime. :rolleyes:

What about the right to a fair hearing? I don't think the papers have mentioned whether a hearing was held other than Coach Fox speaking directly to Hanson.

In any event, Fox has arranged for Hanson to get an education elsewhere. It's not clear whether Hanson will accept this arrangement at this time.

Perspective is a beautiful thing.
 

I am torn. You really hate to see a kid lose and opportunity like this, but he was asked not to go out. There are rules you have to follow, but sometimes the consequences could fit the crime a little better. Then again we do not know the history of this kid and the other things he has done. Knowing that would give me a clearer view of what the punishment should be. At the very least he is still alive. There are 3 young people that cannot say that. Things could be a lot worse.

Peace

He lost a privelege, not a right.

If Fox was going to put him in jail, then fair hearing would be a right. However....