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Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:12pm

Horrible question...
 
ok.. this is no 16 on the test...

A team may be issued a delay-of-game warning following a time-out for water on the floor.

t or f


You dont have to give me the answer, but if you can ref where in the book you can find it... that would be appreciated.

I cant find it anywhere.

Jurassic Referee Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:16pm

True. NFHS rule 4-47-4

rockyroad Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:20pm

It's one of the 4 situations (I think there are 4) where a delay of game warning is issued...if they do it again after the warning, then you T them. Pretty harsh, but they shouldn't have water spilled on the floor during a time-out.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:39pm

Thanks guys...

the part that hung me up was the wording. When you read it, the question makes it sound like the timeout was for the water on the floor.

rockyroad Tue Oct 30, 2007 01:47pm

Yeah, it kind of does. No one ever claimed that those test questions are well-written.

Nevadaref Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:15pm

So you would prefer to see it structured this way?

A team may be issued a delay-of-game warning for water on the floor following a time-out.


Better, but not a big deal.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
So you would prefer to see it structured this way?

A team may be issued a delay-of-game warning for water on the floor following a time-out.


Better, but not a big deal.

Perfect... Maybe you should write the test??... ;)


I know but the first 10 times I read it I couldn't see why it would be an issue if the time out was issued for water being on the floor.

some people are very litteral. Thats me. I take it as stated.

Nevadaref Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:37pm

There is an art to taking these tests. You have to figure out what point the testwriter is trying to get across. Most of the time the question is simply trying to determine whether or not an official is aware of a new rule.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:46pm

Here is another one.....
 
No28

A1's free throw ends when A1's foot breaks the vertical plane of the edge of the free-throw line farthest from the basket before the try touches the ring or backboard orbefore the free throw has ended.

fist of all with all of this talk about A1.. I have this strange urge for steak..

anyway... I would say false. The foot can break the vertical plain, but cannot touch the floor past the line.. right??

Ch1town Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:49pm

9-1-3e

Nevadaref Tue Oct 30, 2007 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
No28

A1's free throw ends when A1's foot breaks the vertical plane of the edge of the free-throw line farthest from the basket before the try touches the ring or backboard orbefore the free throw has ended.

fist of all with all of this talk about A1.. I have this strange urge for steak..

anyway... I would say false. The foot can break the vertical plain, but cannot touch the floor past the line.. right??

Mike, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you really need to hit the books.
This is a very simple question.
For example, regarding your final statement I have to ask: have you read that or is that just what you have heard or happen to think for some reason? Don't officiate by myths and what you think. Look this stuff up and learn how the rules work. You'll be much better for it in the long run.

Y2Koach Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
No28

A1's free throw ends when A1's foot breaks the vertical plane of the edge of the free-throw line farthest from the basket before the try touches the ring or backboard orbefore the free throw has ended.

fist of all with all of this talk about A1.. I have this strange urge for steak..

anyway... I would say false. The foot can break the vertical plain, but cannot touch the floor past the line.. right??

your scenario would make a dunk or layup from the freethrow line a legal freethrow provided the ball hit the rim before the player lands on the floor.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Mike, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you really need to hit the books.
This is a very simple question.
For example, regarding your final statement I have to ask: have you read that or is that just what you have heard or happen to think for some reason? Don't officiate by myths and what you think. Look this stuff up and learn how the rules work. You'll be much better for it in the long run.

That was one I was having trouble finding in the book. Hence why I posted it.

Actually that is what a senior official was saying. Now granted.. he did admit that it has been a few years since he ref basketball.. so.. that is why I posted it here.

Bearfanmike20 Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
your scenario would make a dunk or layup from the freethrow line a legal freethrow provided the ball hit the rim before the player lands on the floor.

LOL.. see now putting it in this context it makes perfect sense...

Its all in the wording that throws me off.

Thanks for all the help guys. I appreciate it. :)

Y2Koach Tue Oct 30, 2007 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
LOL.. see now putting it in this context it makes perfect sense...

Its all in the wording that throws me off.

Thanks for all the help guys. I appreciate it. :)

dont say that too loud. Im a coach ;)


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