pinching the paint
 

I just wanted to start a discussion about pinching the paint. The pre-season stuff I've been to for NCAA women's and men's as well as my main HS assignor's camp have really been stressing this. Personally I'm a little uncomfortable being there, but I'm working on it. It is just a big change in thought but I can see the benefits as far as getting better angles. Anyone else with thoughts on this? I'm just curious.

I think is a good concept to use especially in 3 whistles. It allows you to maintain your angles and shorten the distance across the lane once the ball swing opposite of your initial location. One thing you must be mindful of is when you pinch the paint don't pinch the endline(the closer towards it) it will distort you depth perception

I do not know what about pinching the paint, but I have been taught to close down. And closing down is what you do when the ball is on the other side of the lane and you are about to rotate. You do not stay in that position very long and if the ball kicks back to your side, you move out to mirror the ball to some extent.

Peace

"Pinch the paint" is an expression that means to take a step into the paint to officiate certain situations. Perhaps a drive that comes from the C side, or a spin move on the opposite block. It's trying to get people out of the mindset that it's ALWAYS bad to be between the lane lines.

If that is what that means, then that is a bad idea in my opinion. You are not going to have a very good angle and you also might get hurt. And that is not something I would ever teach.

Peace

It is being taught extensively on the women's side. I was at Patty Broderick's camp in Chicago and if you don't pinch for her, you don't work for her. She watched me work a game and physically pushed me over into the paint (I kinda liked it!!! HAHA!!) Once you master it, it really does give you a much better view when accepting a play coming from C, or the spin move like Scrapper said. When in Rome.....

CLH

This is what the CCA mechanic book says about "pinching the paint."

"Pinching the paint" is when the lead, from the close-down position, takes a step or two into the imaginary extended paint area when a drive is coming from the center's side of the court or down the middle.

"The lead still has secondary coverage in this play, with the official where the play originated having primary coverage. As soon as the drive is complete and shot is taken, the lead should take a position for the best possible rebounding coverage. That will typically be back to the close-down position."

To my understanding, the use of this technique is to help the "C" with secondary defender. Often by just being in the "close down" position, the lead official gets "straightline" with the player driving to the basket and the secondary defender. I think it helps getting a better look at the play and using this technique will increase the chances of calling the play right.

Which book would that be? There is not just one CCA book.

Peace

2007-2008 CCA- Collegiate Commissioner Association. Women's Basketball Officiating.

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There's a woman around here who uses that philosophy with her employees. Her name is Madame Candy. :D

She once offered me a night of "super sex." I said, "At my age, I'd better have the soup." ;)

I have never heard that taught in Men's basketball. I do not see any such terminology anywhere in the CCA Men's book. Men's and Women's mechanics are very different for a reason.

Peace

Also...

At my age, the only thing hot waiting for me in my dressing room is a bowl of soup

Say good night Gracie...

You are correct. This technique is for the women's side only.

Just a twinkie for me, thanks.

Do twinkies in your neck of the woods look like this?
http://www.utvols.com/blog/uploaded_...kie-755573.jpg

I'd make a comment about the cream filling, but I don't want to start a thread of Larry Craig jokes. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/toetap.gif

dave hall's camp was definitely teaching pinch the paint techniques and it had nothing to do with the gender of the teams we were refereeing

Was that his position on playing shirts and skins? Oh wait - that's a different thread. Sorry. :p

How did I know once Padgett posted we wouldn't be talking about the same topic anymore? :D Now that I reflect it has been on the women's side that I'm hearing about it (I'm working women's and trying to keep it in the assignor's head that I'd like to work men's). My main assignor for high school ball is a women's official so that explains why it was stressed there. I can definitely see the advantage of the better angle, but it is going to take time to build that habit after years of staying out of the paint.

Now about that Madame Candy lady....can I get a number and address? Winter is mighty cold here in Iowa.

I believe this mentality was started in the SEC, back in Gurfrie's days and it make a lot of sence. It also give you a better look at plays that you normally not see due to bad angles.:D

And when officials that came from that system would go to other camps, they would be told to stop using them. I have been to camps in the south and in the Midwest and much of Gurfrie's mechanics were widely frowned upon.

Peace

I guess when you were in Rome, you did what Romans did!!!!!

I don't know about Rut, but I'm pretty sure Padgett did as the Romans did; otherwise he risked a very unpleasant conversation with Caesar.

Its funny how these terms evolve. I'm sure not all of them are exactly the same, but for the most part they are -- at least in terms of trying to get a better look. Years ago, we called this "stepping into the pocket." However, I will concede this was primarily for the C and T, not the L. So again, things do change and get more technical, but the idea is basically the same.

Check the latest hires in past several years of the NBA, the majority came from Gufirie's system, so apparently someone ain't frowning on em.

CLH

This concept got a lot of attention at a camp I was at in Florida this summer. Almost all the clinicians were NCAA men's officials and they were really stressing it.

Pinching was added to NCAA-W last year. We were told that it came from the NBA and WNBA...it is for "help" purposes only - not for reffing your primary area or competitive match-ups as Lead. In other words, the drive from C's side when a secondary defender steps over from L's side - you get a fantastic angle on that secondary defender by stepping into the paint momentarily...of course, after that play you get back out of there asap.

And I agree that it is VERY hard to get used to doing. After years of being told "Stay out of the paint", now we're told "Why didn't you pinch the paint on that play?"

Those individuals were not at an NBA camp. So what the NBA thinks and what the NCAA thinks is not quite the same thing. And if you talk people in the NCAA, they do not look highly on officials in that league just because they are in the NBA. Kind of like, "When in Rome...."

Peace

Her email is [email protected]. :rolleyes:

That might be the funniest thing you've posted. As said on South Park, "nice.....nice."

I had a women's scrimmage last night and tried to "pinch". I got myself in there once or twice, but it took me consciously thinking about it. I did get a good look there though.

Just to be correct, his name is Guthrie not Gufrie. What Rut is saying is correct and is another reason why many people were not sad with Guthrie was fired. While I think the NBA has the best officials, people make it there in different ways. It would be presumptuous (sp?) to think that during a specific time period the majority of officials worthy to make it into the NBA were all from the SEC. Other factors were at work.