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texaspaul Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:03pm

Speaking of whistles
 
When I work with a female ref, I always ask which whistle they will be using. If they use the mini-fox, I switch to the mini-fox. It just seems uniform for both our whistles to be the same.
I carry two Fox and one mini to all games.

I'm a lanyard guy. I called last night with a guy that doesn't use a lanyard. I tried that, about 10yrs ago, when my smitty broke. Ended up spitting my whistle on the floor every call......

kbilla Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by texaspaul
When I work with a female ref, I always ask which whistle they will be using. If they use the mini-fox, I switch to the mini-fox. It just seems uniform for both our whistles to be the same.
I carry two Fox and one mini to all games.

I'm a lanyard guy. I called last night with a guy that doesn't use a lanyard. I tried that, about 10yrs ago, when my smitty broke. Ended up spitting my whistle on the floor every call......

Funny I worked a juco game last night with a guy who did that (no lanyard)...I don't understand it, I know some old NBA guys did that, but I don't see the point? Is it just to get that "look"? Seems sort of silly....

What does the mini-fox sound like, I have never used one? What about the dolphin, that thing never really took off did it? I got two of them as promos a year or two ago, I have yet to use one in the game b/c none of my partners has ever had one....not to mention you can never tell which end is up without looking at the damn thing!

tjones1 Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:08pm

I tried a mini once and didn't like it. I've also worked with someone who used a mini and I couldn't hear it very well. Seemed like it was getting drowned out. For me, it's the classic all the way. Just my take...

I'm certainly a lanyard guy. I prefer the Smitty noose.

JRutledge Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:25pm

I only care Fox 40 Classics. I have not carried a Fox mini since maybe my first year. No one uses them and I see no reason to try to match officials that never use this type of whistle.

Peace

Dan_ref Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:30pm

Someone had to do it...

http://www.djlonline.com/bloog/minime.jpg

btw, anyone hear from Chuck lately?

Bearfanmike20 Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:32pm

I was instructed to use the fox 40 classic with the smitty that hooks to the shirt.

I like the setup. I got the padded fox 40. Man that is the loudest whistle I have ever heard. :)

kbilla Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
I was instructed to use the fox 40 classic with the smitty that hooks to the shirt.

I like the setup. I got the padded fox 40. Man that is the loudest whistle I have ever heard. :)

go with the noose lanyard, skip the smitty! it's a personal preference obviously, but I have seen officials where you can see that the loop in the shirt is about to rip off from having the whistle attached there over time...I think the noose looks sharp.....

TimTaylor Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:40pm

The Fox mini sound is very similar to that of the Classic - slightly higher in pitch and not as loud.

I use a mini-cmg with lanyard for volleyball & the classic-cmg with smitty for basketball.

FrankHtown Wed Oct 24, 2007 03:49pm

I used the Dolphin last year off and on. It's ok...I think it's a little shriller than the Fox 40, so it fits in well with girl's freshman games (uh oh...kidding Julie).

I prefer the noose to the Smitty, but I think it's all personal preference.

kbilla Wed Oct 24, 2007 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankHtown
I used the Dolphin last year off and on. It's ok...I think it's a little shriller than the Fox 40, so it fits in well with girl's freshman games (uh oh...kidding Julie).

I prefer the noose to the Smitty, but I think it's all personal preference.

didn't you find yourself having to look down at the thing every time you went to put it back in your mouth? kind of irritating....

FrankHtown Wed Oct 24, 2007 04:08pm

it was a minor annoyance, sort of like the way a coach behaves when you finally call a foul on the other team.

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 24, 2007 04:56pm

I use this one. It works really well when the gym is quiet for an FT and I have to blow it for a violation. I won't say where I wear my lanyard. :p

http://www.mooncostumes.com/image/8201

Jurassic Referee Wed Oct 24, 2007 05:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I use this one. It works really well when the gym is quiet for an FT and I have to blow it for a violation. I won't say where I wear my lanyard. :p

http://www.mooncostumes.com/image/8201

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tjones1 Wed Oct 24, 2007 05:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankHtown
I used the Dolphin last year off and on. It's ok...I think it's a little shriller than the Fox 40, so it fits in well with girl's freshman games (uh oh...kidding Julie).

I prefer the noose to the Smitty, but I think it's all personal preference.

Last year one of the few college games I got to see at my school, one of the officials was using a Dolphin and I could certainly tell whenever he had a whistle. Don't really like the look of the Dolphin either, jmo.

PYRef Wed Oct 24, 2007 08:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by texaspaul
When I work with a female ref, I always ask which whistle they will be using.

Why do you only ask when it's a female?

texaspaul Wed Oct 24, 2007 09:12pm

Honestly, I've never met any men that carry the mini. The only reason I bought it was the women in our chapter, called volleyball and basketball. For the most part, they all blew the mini, except for the macho type.(No beating around the bush about what I mean, just telling it like it is)

One of the best training seminars I went to, over 18yrs ago, the instructor stressed officials to become as one team on the court. Look, act, talk as one. He mentioned things such as total black shoes....I do mean nothing white. Even when spot made the shoes with the white spot on the rear. Get yourself a black magic marker. One of the things talked about was as simple as blowing the same whistle as your co-official. Every since then, I always ask guys and gals that I have never called with. What type of whistle are you carrying. Others opinion of your abilities are directly dependent on your sharp dress, Good use of the mechanics, ability to control the game and character. In my opinion, poor use of the mechanics is a lack of respect for authority. If you don't believe me, just go home after your next camps video session. Plug in the DVD and listen to the director hammer you on your poor signal mechanics. NFHS of course......
JH to Varsity, I try to give every game and every official the same respect.

dblref Thu Oct 25, 2007 05:51am

Frankly, I never cared either way which whistle my partner(s) used. I was more concerned (sometimes), with whether they would actually use it when they were supposed to.:p

Mark Padgett Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:29am

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Originally Posted by texaspaul
Honestly, I've never met any men that carry the mini.

That's what Larry Craig said. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/toetap.gif

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:56am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Wipe...coffee...off....of....monitor......LOL.....

refnrev Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:59am

[QUOTE=texaspaul]Honestly, I've never met any men that carry the mini. The only reason I bought it was the women in our chapter, called volleyball and basketball. For the most part, they all blew the mini, except for the macho type.(No beating around the bush about what I mean, just telling it like it is)
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I'm a WMSBVRWCAB&AWMCMGFVBNR. (That's white Male Soccer Basketball Volleyball Referee Who Carries A Black & A White Mini CMG For Volleyball Named Refnrev) The mini's are loud enough for MS or JV games and some girls V games, but I'm a Classis CMG man in BB.

JRutledge Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:28am

If you have ever worked with an official that had a different whistle than you have, there is a big difference in sound. This is the only reason I want to use the same whistle which most use Fox 40 Classic. I even worked a game with an official that forgot his Fox 40 Classic and used a mini during a packed house game. My partner and I had trouble all night hearing his whistle. And there were times his whistle did not stop play when he called a foul all by himself. It was actually very frustrating.

Peace

SeanFitzRef Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:28pm

Don't like the mini very much. Always scared I'm going to lose it. Fox 40 Classic CMG is my personal favorite, with the breakaway noose lanyard. After the game, just snap that sucker loose, stick it in oyur pocket, and head for the locker room.

Like the strength of the Dolphin, but the shape is distracting.

Brad Thu Oct 25, 2007 07:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by texaspaul
One of the things talked about was as simple as blowing the same whistle as your co-official.

This is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

This reminds me of the guys that you work with that are worried about the kind of shirt that you are wearing -- mesh or no-mesh? Flag or no flag? etc. ... They have one of every shirt in their bag so that we can all look the same, etc.

This has nothing to do with how good of an official you are on the court and doesn't make a bit of difference to coaches, for sure.

I have nothing against trying to look good -- shining your shoes, having your uniform look nice, etc. ... but when we get to the point of trying to have perfectly matching shirts and whistles, it is beyond the point of absurdity.

tomegun Thu Oct 25, 2007 08:46pm

I used the Dolphin a lot last year. With the same amount of air, the Dolphin is louder. IMO, the sound isn't that different than the Fox40.

Back in the day, I got a pearl. I actually still have it in my whistle bag. Now that was a whistle that sounded a lot different!

M&M Guy Thu Oct 25, 2007 09:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
Back in the day, I got a pearl. I actually still have it in my whistle bag. Now that was a whistle that sounded a lot different!

Some use a mini, some use a pearl.

Very few use both.
http://www.nndb.com/people/493/00004...nnie-pearl.jpg

tjones1 Thu Oct 25, 2007 09:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun
I used the Dolphin a lot last year. With the same amount of air, the Dolphin is louder. IMO, the sound isn't that different than the Fox40.

Back in the day, I got a pearl. I actually still have it in my whistle bag. Now that was a whistle that sounded a lot different!

I worked with a newer official last year who was using a Pearl. Very weak, imo, I couldn't hear him half the time. Now granted he might not have been putting much air into it, but it was 10 in the morning in a Jr. High gym with not many people watching.

SmokeEater Fri Oct 26, 2007 08:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbilla
go with the noose lanyard, skip the smitty! it's a personal preference obviously, but I have seen officials where you can see that the loop in the shirt is about to rip off from having the whistle attached there over time...I think the noose looks sharp.....

I had this problem on my original shirt. I took the small ring off an old whistle and put it on the loop and then clip the smitty to the ring. It works great no more pressure on the thread loop.

Adam Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:40am

I used to carry a mini, but didn't even realize it. Honestly, I didn't pay that much attention; I just bought the Fox 40 and didn't even notice "classic" or "mini."

Then, in my first varsity game, my partner's critique after the game included the fact that he could tell I was using a mini, and it was hard for him to hear me on the court. Had nothing to do with uniformity, however; only the inability of your partner to hear your whistle in a packed gym.

Had him for a partner again in an AAU tourney later that year, and during the first break in action he came up and commented that the new whistle sounded good. :)

Rich Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by texaspaul
Honestly, I've never met any men that carry the mini. The only reason I bought it was the women in our chapter, called volleyball and basketball. For the most part, they all blew the mini, except for the macho type.(No beating around the bush about what I mean, just telling it like it is)

One of the best training seminars I went to, over 18yrs ago, the instructor stressed officials to become as one team on the court. Look, act, talk as one. He mentioned things such as total black shoes....I do mean nothing white. Even when spot made the shoes with the white spot on the rear. Get yourself a black magic marker. One of the things talked about was as simple as blowing the same whistle as your co-official. Every since then, I always ask guys and gals that I have never called with. What type of whistle are you carrying. Others opinion of your abilities are directly dependent on your sharp dress, Good use of the mechanics, ability to control the game and character. In my opinion, poor use of the mechanics is a lack of respect for authority. If you don't believe me, just go home after your next camps video session. Plug in the DVD and listen to the director hammer you on your poor signal mechanics. NFHS of course......
JH to Varsity, I try to give every game and every official the same respect.

Not all of us like Kool-Aid.

stripes Fri Oct 26, 2007 09:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad
This is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

This reminds me of the guys that you work with that are worried about the kind of shirt that you are wearing -- mesh or no-mesh? Flag or no flag? etc. ... They have one of every shirt in their bag so that we can all look the same, etc.

This has nothing to do with how good of an official you are on the court and doesn't make a bit of difference to coaches, for sure.

I have nothing against trying to look good -- shining your shoes, having your uniform look nice, etc. ... but when we get to the point of trying to have perfectly matching shirts and whistles, it is beyond the point of absurdity.

Couldn't agree more. Officials tend to obsess about thing that only they notice. Coaches, players, etc. just want us to get it right.

I don't like the mini and wouldn't use one, but I would never worry about having the same whistle as my partners.

Rich Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad
This is pretty much the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

This reminds me of the guys that you work with that are worried about the kind of shirt that you are wearing -- mesh or no-mesh? Flag or no flag? etc. ... They have one of every shirt in their bag so that we can all look the same, etc.

This has nothing to do with how good of an official you are on the court and doesn't make a bit of difference to coaches, for sure.

I have nothing against trying to look good -- shining your shoes, having your uniform look nice, etc. ... but when we get to the point of trying to have perfectly matching shirts and whistles, it is beyond the point of absurdity.

Yup. My partner has been through every variation of shirt the past 3 years and I'm still wearing the regular polyester Honig's shirt I wore then.

Next someone will say we should carry different shoes to match our partners. Where would that end? Pleats and flat fronts? Belt or no belt?

I don't live in an area where people obsess about these things. I buy shoes for comfort and people get to enjoy the little white splashes just as much as I do cause I don't bother trying to cover them up. My shoeshine routine is usually an ArmorAll bath.

tomegun Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN
Yup. My partner has been through every variation of shirt the past 3 years and I'm still wearing the regular polyester Honig's shirt I wore then.

Next someone will say we should carry different shoes to match our partners. Where would that end? Pleats and flat fronts? Belt or no belt?

I don't live in an area where people obsess about these things. I buy shoes for comfort and people get to enjoy the little white splashes just as much as I do cause I don't bother trying to cover them up. My shoeshine routine is usually an ArmorAll bath.

I agree.

I have heard of someone wanting to match their partner(s) in every area you just mentioned. They then go out and butcher a game, BUT they matched. :rolleyes: Makes perfect sense to me.


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