New time out mechanic

[jsblanton]

I was wondering what anyone who has used the new time out mechanic thinks about it. Any thoughts?

[Nevadaref]

Do you mean the horn at 15 seconds of a 30 instead of 20, or are you talking about the positioning of the officials during any time-out in 2-man?
BTW the positioning is not really new. It is actually a return to the old way. There has already been a thread on the forum about it.

[JRutledge]

The change of the horn is not a "mechanic." The changing of the positioning is a change in the mechanic. Whether it was new or not, I am sure not everyone is familiar with what was once used.

Peace

[Splute]

I have no issue with the change. There were questions posted regarding the change on how officials would address the benches at the warning horn, depending on where the ball would be inbounded, etc. In Texas I am told we are not changing. We will continue to use Top of the Key and lower blocks for our postions.

Originally Posted by Splute

I have no issue with the change. There were questions posted regarding the change on how officials would address the benches at the warning horn, depending on where the ball would be inbounded, etc. In Texas I am told we are not changing. We will continue to use Top of the Key and lower blocks for our postions.

I think TX is missing a good thing. Under the new mechanic, coaches now know where the ball will be put in play and the ONE ref can control both benches easily, rather than having both refs bringing them out with different force. Also let's you start the RPP easier.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I think TX is missing a good thing. Under the new mechanic, coaches now know where the ball will be put in play and the ONE ref can control both benches easily, rather than having both refs bringing them out with different force. Also let's you start the RPP easier.

I agree that I thought it was a good thing in most cases. I was looking forward to the change. There will still be occasions when common sense should be used as with any mechanic.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I think TX is missing a good thing. Under the new mechanic, coaches now know where the ball will be put in play and the ONE ref can control both benches easily, rather than having both refs bringing them out with different force. Also let's you start the RPP easier.

Actually I think this mechanic is kind of silly. For one why would you want to put the ball on the floor? I can see it now, some cheerleader is going to fall over the ball or some kid or player and it will be our fault. Secondly, even in 3 person when we would stand exactly with the spot, coaches would still not know where the ball was coming in at. I even had a couple times where it was a debate as to where the ball should be put in. This is not going to do more than cause more problems if you ask me.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually I think this mechanic is kind of silly. For one why would you want to put the ball on the floor? I can see it now, some cheerleader is going to fall over the ball or some kid or player and it will be our fault. Secondly, even in 3 person when we would stand exactly with the spot, coaches would still not know where the ball was coming in at. I even had a couple times where it was a debate as to where the ball should be put in. This is not going to do more than cause more problems if you ask me.

Peace

You DON'T put the ball on the floor (unless you need to leave the spot to confer with the other ref, etc., which should be rare). You hold the ball at the spot of the throw in (preferable on the hip in the direction of the team throwing it in).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

You DON'T put the ball on the floor (unless you need to leave the spot to confer with the other ref, etc., which should be rare). You hold the ball at the spot of the throw in (preferable on the hip in the direction of the team throwing it in).

Why you put the ball on the floor is not a good reason anytime if you ask me. So if a coach cannot ask and you cannot tell them, there is a larger problem at work. Before that was not encouraged and I can tell you that I am not personally not going to be doing this. I also see the potential for spectators to also mess with the basketball. You do not have to agree, it is just my personal opinion. Just like some people do not see a need to use the “not closely guarded” signal, they do not have to use this mechanic either in my opinion.

Peace

[NathanRT]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I think TX is missing a good thing. Under the new mechanic, coaches now know where the ball will be put in play and the ONE ref can control both benches easily, rather than having both refs bringing them out with different force. Also let's you start the RPP easier.

At our district meeting Ronnie Giraourd told us that although we are not using the new mechanic in TX, to indicate the spot, we will set the ball down on the floor at the spot. (I believe we'll still have it as an option...I don't like the idea and probably won't set the ball down. If the coach wants to know where the spot will be, he/she can ask like they do now and I'll be happy point and show them where it will be.)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jsblanton

I was wondering what anyone who has used the new time out mechanic thinks about it. Any thoughts?

I think the return to the "old" mechanic is a good change. I never liked the mechanic of having both officials on the block or the top of the key.

That said, this falls at about number 1000 on the list of concerns.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by jsblanton

I was wondering what anyone who has used the new time out mechanic thinks about it. Any thoughts?

I love it!!!

Originally Posted by jsblanton

I was wondering what anyone who has used the new time out mechanic thinks about it. Any thoughts?

Horn change is great, mechanic of standing at center circle and at the location of the inbounds (2-man only) is great.

[mick]

Originally Posted by jsblanton

I was wondering what anyone who has used the new time out mechanic thinks about it. Any thoughts?

I don't like it because of its singular flaw.

Preceding a throw-in at the division line, the administering official cannot see the table through the the free official's backside.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

I don't like it because of its singular flaw.

Preceding a throw-in at the division line, the administering official cannot see the table through the the free official's backside.

Geeze, mick - how big is your partner's backside?