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Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:52am

The 10 Rules of Officiating
 
I like to quote certain "rules of officiating" that I've made up over the years here on the board. I've had two people ask me if I would post them. Since I have nothing better to do (and you, obviously, have nothing better to do than read them) - here they are.

Number 10 - "When you're on the court - always look sharp. That doesn't include the top of your head."

Number 9 - "There's only 2 (sometimes 3) people in the entire gym who don't care who wins - you and your partner(s)."

Number 8 - "Remember - it's just a game. But you get paid anyway. What a deal!"

Number 7 - "Never swallow your whistle - it's there to be blown and besides, it tastes really, really bad."

Number 6 - "Parents know as much about the rules as they do about raising children."

Number 5 - "When in doubt - don't be."

Number 4 - "Always bring your English-Jibberish dictionary to the game so you can understand the coaches."

Number 3 - "Coaches have a shorter leash than a puppy."

Number 2 - "NO OVERTIMES!!!"

and (drum roll please) Number 1 - "Tuck your whistle in your shirt before you take a leak." This applies to both males and females.

bigdog5142 Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:45am

CLASSIC! I needed a laugh today...good stuff.

Splute Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:51am

Ah, guess this means the season has started!!! :) Lets git r dun

Zack Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:00pm

I thought number Number 1 should be that "There are three temas on the court, Team A, Team B, and the officials. At the end of the game the Officials always win."

The season is here :)

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:53pm

I probably should have also posted the referee's motto:

"Occasionally wrong - but never indecisive."

Also - I had a buddy tell me once that if you ever start to feel intimidated by a coach, just imagine him naked. I DO NOT recommend this - unless, of course, the coach is an absolute babe (preferably female - but not that there's anything wrong with that).

BillyMac Tue Oct 16, 2007 05:57pm

Soapbox Response
 
From Mark Padgett: "Number 2 - "NO OVERTIMES!!!""

I disagree. I love overtimes. They can be the most exciting part of the game and officials have to be on their toes for four more minutes of a close game. I've been on this "soapbox" before: Officials know that we're kidding when we say this, but nonofficials, who often frequent this Forum, may be led to believe that we want to work our 32 minutes, get our check, and hit the road as soon as possible.

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 06:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
From Mark Padgett: "Number 2 - "NO OVERTIMES!!!""

I disagree. I love overtimes. They can be the most exciting part of the game and officials have to be on their toes for four more minutes of a close game. I've been on this "soapbox" before: Officials know that we're kidding when we say this, but nonofficials, who often frequent this Forum, may be led to believe that we want to work our 32 minutes, get our check, and hit the road as soon as possible.

I always felt that if you want to work for free, go volunteer somewhere. :rolleyes:

Mark Dexter Tue Oct 16, 2007 07:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I probably should have also posted the referee's motto:

"Occasionally wrong - but never indecisive."

Amen to that!

eyezen Tue Oct 16, 2007 07:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I always felt that if you want to work for free, go volunteer somewhere. :rolleyes:

I don't believe he said anything about working for free.

I think he was simply stating that when a games goes into overtime he enjoys the moment rather than begrudging it.

Dan_ref Tue Oct 16, 2007 07:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I probably should have also posted the referee's motto:

"Occasionally wrong - but never indecisive."

Disagree with your motto.

I've gone for help on OOB calls I was not sure of. Also if action under the basket on a shooting foul caused me to not know if the ball went in or not.

Just two examples of preferring indecision allowing me to go to my crew for help.

Referee's motto: Let's get it right as a crew.

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 08:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Disagree with your motto.

It's a joke, Dan. :D

http://www.blacksheepdesigns.com/ima...The%20Joke.jpg

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2007 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyezen
I don't believe he said anything about working for free.

My comical point was that if you get paid for working regulation minutes and do not receive any additional compensation for working additional overtime minutes, then you're working the overtime "for free". Capiche?

rainmaker Wed Oct 17, 2007 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Disagree with your motto.

I've gone for help on OOB calls I was not sure of. Also if action under the basket on a shooting foul caused me to not know if the ball went in or not.

Just two examples of preferring indecision allowing me to go to my crew for help.

Referee's motto: Let's get it right as a crew.

That's not the kind of "wrong" or "indecisive" he's referring to. Calling the OOB decisively, and then looking decisively at your partners to help you get it right is fine. Indecisive is weak whistle, sloppy mechanics, debating in your mind before signalling -- you know, like me!

Splute Wed Oct 17, 2007 02:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
My comical point was that if you get paid for working regulation minutes and do not receive any additional compensation for working additional overtime minutes, then you're working the overtime "for free". Capiche?

aaaahhhhh, there in lies the problem. You are paid by the game; not by the minutes. :) So you should think that games that finish in regulation are a bonus... you worked less time for the same pay.... ya, thats it, thats the ticket!!

bgtg19 Wed Oct 17, 2007 02:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
My comical point was that if you get paid for working regulation minutes and do not receive any additional compensation for working additional overtime minutes, then you're working the overtime "for free". Capiche?

I don't get paid for working regulation minutes. I get paid for working a game. Overtime is part of the game (O.K., some games). If the play of the game dictates that it should go into overtime, I sure as heck am not going to make sure that there is no overtime. To do otherwise is dishonest.

I get, Mark, that you post primarily for the sake of humor. And I think eyezen probably understood clearly your point. He was just adding his opinion (to BillyMac's) that your point, even if comical, is wrong-headed.

This whole "no overtime" notion is a matter of integrity. As officials, we should be above reproach. Suggesting that officials compromise their integrity, even as a joke, does a disservice to the officiating community and to the games they serve.

I do appreciate the humor on this site, and I don't want that to change. But the humor I appreciate is the humor that does not require us to believe the worst in people. Except for Old School. We can believe the worst in him. Kidding.... :o

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2007 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgtg19
This whole "no overtime" notion is a matter of integrity. As officials, we should be above reproach. Suggesting that officials compromise their integrity, even as a joke, does a disservice to the officiating community and to the games they serve.


HEY EVERYONE -

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Splute Wed Oct 17, 2007 02:49pm

geesh, I wondered when our integrity would be questioned. C'mon guys, do you really believe that the officials that post on this site officiate that way? Give them some credit. No one spends this much time, energy and devotion to baskeball and officiating to rob kids of their time on the court. GET REAL!

Now isnt that a pretty Smiley Sun from Mark? :)

Adam Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:07pm

Good grief.
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bigdog5142 Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:24pm

WOW! Let's get those panties pulled out of that bunch! If we lose the ability to laugh at ourselves...then we don't need to do what we do. (I have had some old guys come up to me and be TOTALLY SERIOUS about the no overtime thing, though. Now THAT'S frustrating!)

Scrapper1 Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by bigdog5142
(I have had some old guys come up to me and be TOTALLY SERIOUS about the no overtime thing, though. Now THAT'S frustrating!)

And maybe that's exactly why some people have said that they don't think it's really all that funny of a joke.

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
And maybe that's exactly why some people have said that they don't think it's really all that funny of a joke.

Hey - he said "OLD GUYS". That has nothing to do with us.

Yeah, suuuuuuure. :p

Jurassic Referee Wed Oct 17, 2007 05:28pm

Hope this will help some of you tight-azzes.......

http://www.holyconservancy.org/images/setupz.gif

JoeTheRef Wed Oct 17, 2007 06:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgtg19
I don't get paid for working regulation minutes. I get paid for working a game. Overtime is part of the game (O.K., some games). If the play of the game dictates that it should go into overtime, I sure as heck am not going to make sure that there is no overtime. To do otherwise is dishonest.

I get, Mark, that you post primarily for the sake of humor. And I think eyezen probably understood clearly your point. He was just adding his opinion (to BillyMac's) that your point, even if comical, is wrong-headed.

This whole "no overtime" notion is a matter of integrity. As officials, we should be above reproach. Suggesting that officials compromise their integrity, even as a joke, does a disservice to the officiating community and to the games they serve.

I do appreciate the humor on this site, and I don't want that to change. But the humor I appreciate is the humor that does not require us to believe the worst in people. Except for Old School. We can believe the worst in him. Kidding.... :o

He was probably kidding...Lighten up... We, or the majority of us feel the same way you do.

Dan_ref Wed Oct 17, 2007 06:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
That's not the kind of "wrong" or "indecisive" he's referring to. Calling the OOB decisively, and then looking decisively at your partners to help you get it right is fine. Indecisive is weak whistle, sloppy mechanics, debating in your mind before signalling -- you know, like me!

I wish you people in the upper lefthand corner of the country would make up your mind.

Is it a joke or not?

BillyMac Wed Oct 17, 2007 06:43pm

Volunteer
 
From Mark Padgett: "I always felt that if you want to work for free, go volunteer somewhere."

I do. Every year I officiate at the Special Olympics Unified Games, for free. Also, when assigned, I officiate the Doc Hurley Classic Scholarship Tournament (Hartford, CT), also for free. I also officiate, again for free, as many scrimmages, both preseason and pretournment, as I can fit into my schedule. I don't mind giving back to the sport that I have loved for over 40 years.

I know that I should "lighten up", but this anti-overtime sentiment, whether it's done in jest, or for real, really "yanks my chain", especially when nonofficials hear about it.

Mark Dexter Wed Oct 17, 2007 09:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac
I do. Every year I officiate at the Special Olympics Unified Games, for free. Also, when assigned, I officiate the Doc Hurley Classic Scholarship Tournament (Hartford, CT), also for free. I also officiate, again for free, as many scrimmages, both preseason and pretournment, as I can fit into my schedule. I don't mind giving back to the sport that I have loved for over 40 years.

Doc Hurley's a great tournament. Didn't realize that you Central CT guys worked it for free, but it's probably worth the experience of getting to call that good of a game in the Civic Center. I'll never forget when I went along with my school's varsity team in 2000.

Idaho Wed Oct 17, 2007 09:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hope this will help some of you tight-azzes.......

http://www.holyconservancy.org/images/setupz.gif

JR,

I can't find that file installed anywhere on my computer even though it says it installed succesfully. Any help?

rainmaker Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I wish you people in the upper lefthand corner of the country would make up your mind.

Is it a joke or not?

First you say he's wrong, now you accuse us of being indecisive. Is this some kind of joke?!?

Actually, I'm not sure why he said it was a joke. He says it seriously, and with some good illustrations to help understand the principle. And really, for such a dweeb, he's got a pretty good principle, don't you think?

Dan_ref Thu Oct 18, 2007 06:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
First you say he's wrong, now you accuse us of being indecisive. Is this some kind of joke?!?

Actually, I'm not sure why he said it was a joke. He says it seriously, and with some good illustrations to help understand the principle. And really, for such a dweeb, he's got a pretty good principle, don't you think?

I already said I disagree with this principle.

rainmaker Thu Oct 18, 2007 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I already said I disagree with this principle.

I thought perhaps after I'd explicated the vocabulary as Mark intended it, you'd see it differently.

Of course, the crew should get it right all the time. But that's not always going to happen. Sometimes, they're gonna get it wrong. But there should never be any waffling or hedging or debating. Discussion when there's a disagreement isn't the same as indecisiveness.

Dan_ref Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
I thought perhaps after I'd explicated the vocabulary as Mark intended it, you'd see it differently.

Of course, the crew should get it right all the time. But that's not always going to happen. Sometimes, they're gonna get it wrong. But there should never be any waffling or hedging or debating. Discussion when there's a disagreement isn't the same as indecisiveness.

Now you want to argue the semantics of what you thought Mark might have meant, which he claims is a joke anyway.

One more time then I'm done: it's OK - rarely - to be unsure about what the final decision should be. Some of us would use the word 'indecisive' to describe that case. Those same people would not agree with you or Mark that we are *never* indecisive.

That's all.

rainmaker Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Now you want to argue the semantics of what you thought Mark might have meant, which he claims is a joke anyway.

One more time then I'm done: it's OK - rarely - to be unsure about what the final decision should be. Some of us would use the word 'indecisive' to describe that case. Those same people would not agree with you or Mark that we are *never* indecisive.

That's all.

It's not an argument in the sense of any hostility. I wasn't sure what you were disagreeing with, and working on the semantics is one way to find that out. Now, I see your point, which I didn't before.

And by the way, PADGETT, where the heck are you when I'm trying to defend you? Sheez, he finds his meds and goes to sleep just when he's got the pot boiling...

Mark Padgett Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
And by the way, PADGETT, where the heck are you when I'm trying to defend you? Sheez, he finds his meds and goes to sleep just when he's got the pot boiling...

Juulie - did you realize you mentioned "pot" and "meds" in the same sentence? Only in Oregon. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ool_shades.gif

rainmaker Thu Oct 18, 2007 01:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Juulie - did you realize you mentioned "pot" and "meds" in the same sentence? Only in Oregon. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ool_shades.gif

Good point. In fact, I'm headed into the Health Department next week to get my sister's license renewed. As Martha Stewart says, (although perhaps not in this context), "It's a good thing!"

Adam Thu Oct 18, 2007 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Good point. In fact, I'm headed into the Health Department next week to get my sister's license renewed. As Martha Stewart says, (although perhaps not in this context), "It's a good thing!"

You're quoting Ex-cons?

Mark Padgett Thu Oct 18, 2007 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
Good point. In fact, I'm headed into the Health Department next week to get my sister's license renewed.

Remember - she has to get enough to share with the rest of the class. :cool:

Mark Padgett Thu Oct 18, 2007 02:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You're quoting Ex-cons?

Hey - this happens every time the local press does a story on an ex-Blazer. :rolleyes:

Bearfanmike20 Fri Oct 19, 2007 08:23am

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Hope this will help some of you tight-azzes.......

http://www.holyconservancy.org/images/setupz.gif

I just got an error message...

Id tell you what it was, but I couldn't read it... I dont have my glasses on. ;)


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