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mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 09:58am

Overtime ? ...Guilty.
 
Okay folks.... :(
Since no one has admitted it yet, I herein confess that I was the Ref when an 8th grade kid made a spin move at the top and banked one in for "3", forcing overtime. 3 minutes later her team lost by one. [sigh!]

This is not good game management !

IREFU2 Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:05am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
Okay folks.... :(
Since no one has admitted it yet, I herein confess that I was the Ref when an 8th grade kid made a spin move at the top and banked one in for "3", forcing overtime. 3 minutes later her team lost by one. [sigh!]

This is not good game management !

I dont know why officials think overtime is so taboo......I my mind if it happens, so be it. I have no problem with overtime at all. Just my 2 cents.:D

26 Year Gap Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:08am

A couple of seasons ago, one of the varsity officials took ill. Since it was a crew of two, they asked if I could fill in for the 2nd half. The visitors trailed much of the game and made a baseline 15 footer at the buzzer to send the game into OT. So, I got an extra 4 minutes in that night.

Dan_ref Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mick
Okay folks.... :(
Since no one has admitted it yet, I herein confess that I was the Ref when an 8th grade kid made a spin move at the top and banked one in for "3", forcing overtime. 3 minutes later her team lost by one. [sigh!]

This is not good game management !

Did she call the bank?

mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:20am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Did she call the bank?

Nope, but I gave her some extra credit.
In the 3rd quarter she was chasing an opponent down the floor, ran into a screen that was set "all day long" and dropped like a rag doll thrown against the wall.
The only call was, "Time!"

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:33am

Allowing overtimes violates the second rule of officiating. And - we all know what the first rule of officiating is. BTW - the third rule is "Coaches have a shorter leash than a puppy". :D

Vinski Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:57am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Allowing overtimes violates the second rule of officiating. :D

What do you mean by “Allowing” overtime? How can a ref determine overtime or not? Besides, who cares? I look at overtime as kind of a bonus to ref an extra 4 minutes. I enjoy a tight, well fought battle.

mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:22am

Vinski and IREFU2,
It's very nice that you take officiating so seriously and professionally.
Keep up the good work !
mick

Vinski Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:38am

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Originally Posted by mick
Vinski and IREFU2,
It's very nice that you take officiating so seriously and professionally.
Keep up the good work !
mick

Mick, is that your polite way of saying lighten-up ? :)
I know you guys are kidding. Our season hasn't started yet and I'm busting to get a game in. So, I guess I'm a little owly.

Adam Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:40am

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Originally Posted by Vinski
What do you mean by “Allowing” overtime? How can a ref determine overtime or not?

It's pretty easy, actually.

That said....

It's a running joke.

mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:44am

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Originally Posted by Vinski
Mick, is that your polite way of saying lighten-up ? :)
I know you guys are kidding. Our season hasn't started yet and I'm busting to get a game in. So, I guess I'm a little owly.

:) <iii>

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by Vinski
What do you mean by “Allowing” overtime? How can a ref determine overtime or not?

During pre-game, I always tell my partner, "If this game goes into overtime, it's your fault!" :rolleyes:

rockyroad Tue Oct 16, 2007 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by mick
Vinski and IREFU2,
It's very nice that you take officiating so seriously and professionally.
Keep up the good work !
mick

Mick, I think you missed your true calling in life. You would make a fantastic politician!!:D

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Mick, I think you missed your true calling in life. You would make a fantastic politician!!:D

Yeah - but how is he at toe-tapping? :eek:

Adam Tue Oct 16, 2007 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad
Mick, I think you missed your true calling in life. You would make a fantastic politician!!:D

now we know how he got the moderator job.

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
now we know how he got the moderator job.

You sure it wasn't his toe-tapping? ;)

mbyron Tue Oct 16, 2007 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by Vinski
So, I guess I'm a little owly.

Hey Padgett, you missed your cue. He said "owly" (possibly meaning 'owlish').

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron
Hey Padgett, you missed your cue. He said "owly" (possibly meaning 'owlish').

I was just trying not to be helpful.

http://www.crocodilecaucus.com/wordp...omics/owly.jpg

JRutledge Tue Oct 16, 2007 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
I dont know why officials think overtime is so taboo......I my mind if it happens, so be it. I have no problem with overtime at all. Just my 2 cents.:D

I think a lot of officials say this in jest. In reality this is out of our control most of the time and even if we call a foul and put someone on the line, they still have to perform. I am not taking responsibility for a team not defending a wide open shot that takes the game into overtime. ;)

Peace

Vinski Tue Oct 16, 2007 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
I was just trying not to be helpful.

http://www.crocodilecaucus.com/wordp...omics/owly.jpg

Where does he get all the cute little images ??:D

mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by Vinski
Where does he get all the cute little images ??:D

You just have to be a little squirrely, too.

BillyMac Tue Oct 16, 2007 06:06pm

Overtime !!
 
I agree with mick, Vinski, and IREFU2.

I love overtimes. They can be the most exciting part of the game and officials have to be on their toes for four more minutes of a close game. I've been on this "soapbox" before: Officials know that we're kidding when we say this, but nonofficials, who often frequent this Forum, may be led to believe that we want to work our 32 minutes, get our check, and hit the road as soon as possible.

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 06:54pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
but nonofficials, who often frequent this Forum, may be led to believe that we want to work our 32 minutes, get our check, and hit the road as soon as possible.

And your point? :rolleyes:

mick Tue Oct 16, 2007 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
now we know how he got the moderator job.

It's not a job.
It's an adventure.

Corndog89 Tue Oct 16, 2007 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
I agree with mick, Vinski, and IREFU2.

I love overtimes. They can be the most exciting part of the game and officials have to be on their toes for four more minutes of a close game. I've been on this "soapbox" before: Officials know that we're kidding when we say this, but nonofficials, who often frequent this Forum, may be led to believe that we want to work our 32 minutes, get our check, and hit the road as soon as possible.

I don't mind OT at all in a school game. Rec game...now that's a different story :eek:

icallfouls Tue Oct 16, 2007 08:36pm

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Originally Posted by IREFU2
I dont know why officials think overtime is so taboo......I my mind if it happens, so be it. I have no problem with overtime at all. Just my 2 cents.:D


I think the rule about no overtimes should be modified slightly, "no overtime for JV games." ;) This is especially important on nights when working a double header at two different locations.

Now I must admit that I learned the hard way. My 1st year, 1st game of the year, I was on a JV game that went to double OT. That was when I heard this phrase, "that's going into your evaluation."

For me and most every official I know, I think that no overtimes is just said tongue in check and they don't mean it. However there are some referees that I know of that really believe and act on it, but that's on them in the end.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Oct 17, 2007 08:23am

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Originally Posted by icallfouls
Now I must admit that I learned the hard way. My 1st year, 1st game of the year, I was on a JV game that went to double OT. That was when I heard this phrase, "that's going into your evaluation."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? "that's going into your evaluation"? Anyone who says that needs their head examined, unless they meant it in jest. I had a partner who told me that once, and I asked if he was kidding me, and he said no, it showed up on his evaluation the year before. I had to look at him funny like he was bs'ing me. He gave me the "no, I'm serious" look. Out of curiosity, I called one of the evaluators later (gutsy move on my part) and he confirmed that ONE of the evalutors did make that comment on some of the guys, which also was the only year that person was an evaluator. The evaluator I talked to told me if you ever have a partner who says to try to avoid overtime, to call him back and let him know. Tough gun this evaluator is! :eek:

mick Wed Oct 17, 2007 09:31am

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch
...He confirmed that ONE of the evalutors did make that comment on some of the guys, which also was the only year that person was an evaluator.

Nobody let him in on the humor [if FIBA - humour], it would seem.
Or as *they* say, "He just don't git it." :)

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:14am

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Originally Posted by mick
[if FIBA - humour]

Mick, please. I just ate. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...mages/puke.gif

Adam Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:00am

My first varsity game in my new association last year was delayed by a JV girls game that went double OT.

We took 5 officials to this game, two for each JV game. Each pair then worked one varsity game with the 5th official. My partner and I had the girls JV game in the small gym while the boys JV game was played upstairs. At half-time, we walked by the boys game and they had three minutes to go in the 2nd quarter.

With four minutes left in our 4th quarter, the score got tied. No one scored the rest of the quarter. No one scored for the entire first overtime. Visiting team pulled off the win in the 2nd overtime in a shoot out, outscoring the home team 6-4 to win 24-22.

Andy Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:14am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
During pre-game, I always tell my partner, "If this game goes into overtime, it's your fault!" :rolleyes:

There's your problem.....don't ever mention "the O word"!

in this context, that would be overtime!!! :D

Scrapper1 Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:23am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
With four minutes left in our 4th quarter, the score got tied. No one scored the rest of the quarter. No one scored for the entire first overtime. Visiting team pulled off the win in the 2nd overtime in a shoot out, outscoring the home team 6-4 to win 24-22.

Neither team scored at all in the first overtime? In this case, the "O" word is "ouch"!

Adam Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Neither team scored at all in the first overtime? In this case, the "O" word is "ouch"!

Yeah, it was brutal, small school jv basketball. We even had a girl on the free throw line with no time left in the first OT.

It was two minutes into the 2nd overtime before either team scored (10 minutes without so much as a successful free throw), and then the home team went right down and scored to tie it back up.

It was, actually, a fun game to do. By the end, all the boys fans came down as well as the folks showing up early for the varsity game. That small gym got cramped at the end, and loud.

JoeTheRef Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
During pre-game, I always tell my partner, "If this game goes into overtime, it's your fault!" :rolleyes:

"IF this game goes into overtime, you buy the first pitcher!!!!!!!! :D

Mark Padgett Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by JoeTheRef
you buy the first pitcher!!!!!!!! :D

Are we now going to get into a discussion about baseball players throwing games? :confused:


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