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fmkjrunc Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:24pm

foul shots or OB?
 
team A has the ball in their offensive end, team A PG passes into high post, team B player cuts in front to steal ball and is fouled, this is team A 7th team foul, is team B shooting 1 & 1 or is the ball OB, thanks for your help.

JRutledge Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:35pm

Team B shoots the bonus with the player that was fouled on the line.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:48pm

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Originally Posted by fmkjrunc
team A has the ball in their offensive end, team A PG passes into high post, team B player cuts in front to steal ball and is fouled, this is team A 7th team foul, is team B shooting 1 & 1 or is the ball OB, thanks for your help.

Did the Team B player intercept the ball prior to the foul or was he only cutting in front of the opponent and trying to reach the ball when he was fouled?

If he caught the ball and then was fouled, he shoots the 1&1.

If he was fouled before establishing control, then it is a team control foul by Team A and the ball is awarded OOB to Team B.

fmkjrunc Tue Oct 16, 2007 05:50am

thanks for the quick responses, when the pass was thrown, the player on team B was in front of the player on team A, team A player tried to jump over the back to get the ball, contact occured at the same time of catching of pass

truerookie Tue Oct 16, 2007 07:26am

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Originally Posted by fmkjrunc
thanks for the quick responses, when the pass was thrown, the player on team B was in front of the player on team A, team A player tried to jump over the back to get the ball, contact occured at the same time of catching of pass

Judgemet call on this one. However, if it happen simultaneously I would shoot the bonus.

bob jenkins Tue Oct 16, 2007 08:06am

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Originally Posted by fmkjrunc
thanks for the quick responses, when the pass was thrown, the player on team B was in front of the player on team A, team A player tried to jump over the back to get the ball, contact occured at the same time of catching of pass

Can't happen "at the same time." The official must decide which occurred first, and administer accordingly.

Splute Tue Oct 16, 2007 08:48am

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Originally Posted by fmkjrunc
team A has the ball in their offensive end, team A PG passes into high post, team B player cuts in front to steal ball and is fouled, this is team A 7th team foul, is team B shooting 1 & 1 or is the ball OB, thanks for your help.

One & One starts WITH and includes the seventh foul, if it is not a player or team control foul as mentioned previous. You will have 1 & 1 for 7, 8, 9 team fouls and starting with the 10th team foul you will shoot double bonus.

M&M Guy Tue Oct 16, 2007 09:03am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
Can't happen "at the same time."

I thought the tie always goes to the runner?

Anyway, if B was fouled while A was still in team control (while the pass was still in the air, for example), there are no FT's, and the ball is awarded to B for a throw-in at the spot closest to the foul. If B had intercepted the pass, team A is no longer in team control, so B will shoot the 1-and-1. But as Bob said, you do have to make the decision as to which happened first - the foul, then catch, or catch, then foul. That's why we get paid the big bucks.

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:39am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
That's why we get paid the big bucks.

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Frankly, I'd rather have cash. :D

M&M Guy Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:43am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
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Frankly, I'd rather have cash. :D

You've obviously not had any good deer sausage recently. It's just as good as cash.

TimTaylor Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:53am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
You've obviously not had any good deer sausage recently. It's just as good as cash.

Nah, venison by itself is a little too lean for sausage, but if you mix it 50/50 with bear, the sausage you get is really tasty!

Mark Padgett Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:53am

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
You've obviously not had any good deer sausage recently. It's just as good as cash.

But you can't insert it in a lottery ticket machine! :(

M&M Guy Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:58am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
But you can't insert it in a lottery ticket machine! :(

You don't need a machine; just hand it to the guy behind the counter before he gives you the ticket.

Geeze. :rolleyes:

Adam Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:33am

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Originally Posted by TimTaylor
Nah, venison by itself is a little too lean for sausage, but if you mix it 50/50 with bear, the sausage you get is really tasty!

I've found a bit of dolphin really adds to the flavor.

bigdog5142 Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:48am

I just want to make sure I have the "team control" thing right. Any foul by an offensive player (bad pick) is no longer considered a bonus situation...OB for defense as long as the offensive team has "team control". Player control fouls remain OB only. Only when there is no "team control" is there a bonus situation, correct? (I'm getting back into officiating. I haven't officiated "officially" since 1998. Back then, ONLY a player control foul resulted in OB. Every other foul was considered a bonus situaiton.)


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