We have some disagreement in our group on Beckoning Subs into the game.

NFHS rules and officials manual uses the word "beckon".

How many of you that work high school:
a)Crack the whistle all the time (like NCAA)
b)Never crack the whistle under any circumstances
c)Only crack the whistle when needing to get the subs or your partners attention.

Sign me up under "c"

Chuck

NFHS rules and officials manual uses the word "beckon".

How many of you that work high school:
a)Crack the whistle all the time (like NCAA) ---- 13876
b)Never crack the whistle under any circumstances --- 12453
c)Only crack the whistle when needing to get the subs or your partners attention. ---- 8523

C.

C
 

CCCCC

Ron,
I try for B, but probably that makes me a C.
I get a quiet little charge out of calling the subs in before the table buzzes.
I like the silent stop sign.
mick

I (99.9%) use "A". I just feel more comfortable using that because then I know that my partners know what is going on and the subs usually give me a look then too. I also tell them that they are to wait till I bekon them on to the floor. "I bring you into the game, not the horn, the horn is there to let me know there is someone there that wishes to play."

C. B would be nice.

Z

A.

A, I just want to stay in the habit since NCAA went to it.

It did? When did that happen? I'm not being sarcastic, really. Is it the approved NCAA mechanic now to blow the whistle for every time we allow subs into the game? Where can I find documentation for this?

I thought it was odd that Bob Jenkins said A, but it makes sense if it really is the mechanic. I just never heard that it had been approved.

Chuck

Slightly different subject for the NCAA guys. Do they know blow the whistle on inbounds plays? I see crews who give it a short blast on 95% of the inbound throw-ins. I just wondered if that was a new required/accepted mechanic? You see it more in NCAA on television these days too.

Actually I can only speak for NCAA Women's ball.
New this year.
Crack the whistle for all throw-ins administrated, (administered, managed, handled, what ever MARK) :) by Lead. Trail chops in time. All subs get a whistle. Well except for the parade we sometimes see.

[Edited by Ron Pilo on Jan 24th, 2002 at 11:52 PM]

Administrated? Is that a George Dubya word?

I am definatly a C in this one. I even instruct the table to avoid blowing the horn if at all possible. If they see us "beckoning" a sub in then I don't want a horn. I especially comment between free throws that I don't want a horn. My rational is that every time the horn blows it is a time for question. So the less it goes off the less people are questioning what is going on.

I also will give a short whistle for inbound plays where I am lead or if I am trail if we are staying on that end of the court. I have done this with the new rule that says the subs need to be at the so called X. If my whistle is blown no more subs can enter. It just seems to flow better.

I also tell the table not to blow the horn unless the sub is at the X and we don't see them.

I only blow the whistle when my partner doesn't make eye contact or the sub isn't paying attention.

C

A

Surroundings
 

A and C.

A for when we are in a loud gym and blowing the whistle is much more necessary.

C after I have blown the whistle or when we already have the attention of the official putting the ball in.

I think in the end it depends on the surroundings.

Peace

I agree with BBRef on this one. I prefer not to have the horn - particularly if I see the sub and the table sees me looking at the sub and "beckoning" them in.

The above approaches are what I try to follow; HOWEVER; I have one gym, in particular, with a retired couple (husband and wife) for the book (her) and clock (him). Every pre-game I specifically give instructions on how we (officials) will beckon the subs on the court. Hold the horn, unless we don't see them, then "buzz" them in.

Without fail, EVERY sub that reports to the table gets a horn regardless of the situation (Following FTs, during dead ball, etc) . Many times, the horn comes after the official has blasted the whistle to beckon the sub. OY! :D

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The above approaches are what I try to follow; HOWEVER; I have one gym, in particular, with a retired couple (husband and wife) for the book (her) and clock (him). Every pre-game I specifically give instructions on how we (officials) will beckon the subs on the court. Hold the horn, unless we don't see them, then "buzz" them in.

Without fail, EVERY sub that reports to the table gets a horn regardless of the situation (Following FTs, during dead ball, etc) . Many times, the horn comes after the official has blasted the whistle to beckon the sub. OY! :D [/B][/QUOTE]Did you ever think that the retired couple are both ex-coaches,Willie?:D:

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The above approaches are what I try to follow; HOWEVER; I have one gym, in particular, with a retired couple (husband and wife) for the book (her) and clock (him). Every pre-game I specifically give instructions on how we (officials) will beckon the subs on the court. Hold the horn, unless we don't see them, then "buzz" them in.

Without fail, EVERY sub that reports to the table gets a horn regardless of the situation (Following FTs, during dead ball, etc) . Many times, the horn comes after the official has blasted the whistle to beckon the sub. OY! :D [/B][/QUOTE]Did you ever think that the retired couple are both ex-coaches,Willie?:D: [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Raptor-breath... :D

They may know your daddy!... They are SENIOR citizens. I would speculate they ran the clock and book for Mr. Naismith.

Hey Raptor-breath... :D

They may know your daddy!... They are SENIOR citizens. I would speculate they ran the clock and book for Mr. Naismith. [/B][/QUOTE]:D:

I think that was the mechanic last year (at least, we were using it). Also, I think the Men's mechanic is a whistle on (almost) every administered throw-in.

Also, I should amend may answer of "A" -- I don't blow the whistle for every sub, but I do for every sub situation (That is, if A6 is at the table, I blow the whistle. If B6 now reports, I just beckon B6 in. If my hand goes down and A7 now reports and, for some reason, we want A7 in the game, I'll blow the whistle again.)

That is correct...and for those who want documentation, check pg. 45 of Women's CCA Officials Manual...

Verry interesting! Here In BC Canada we play NCAA rules but have not been instructed that A would be the correct answer,. We have only blown the whistle in these situations to gain the other officials attention . We have always been told to avoid blowing the whistle unnecessarily. Tell me more Re: NCAA mechanics from the experts -please!
PISTOL

It depends on the gym. I like to go with B if possible. If it is a Frosh or JV game where the gym is relatively empty, I might vocalize to get their attention. The louder the gym the more likely I am to go with C.

Mike