at what point?
 

In a running clock game ... player gets hurt (we have blood) and the clock is stopped. At what point do you restart the clock - nothing in the local rules. The player is going to the line to shoot FTs

A) when the player is at the line and ready to shoot
B) once the ball becomes live
something else...

There are no specific rules for this other than rules at the local level. And even at the local level there are usually no rules for this. So you can do whatever you like.

Peace

Running clock = summer league (usually)

So... I would say as soon as possible!!

The way to answer this Johnny is how or when would you restart the clock in a regulation game. The answer is when the ball becomes live. The ball becomes live after the 2nd F/T if missed, or if the shooter made the bucket after the first F/T is missed. If the F/T is made, the ball becomes live when inbounded successfully by the opponents. Remember, a bleeding player must be substituted or the coach can buy them back in with a timeout. Otherwise, what Brad said....

How many times do you have to be corrected on one of the most basic basketball rules? You don't have a clue as to when a ball becomes live or dead by rule.

1) The ball becomes live on a FT when the FT shooter has it. You can't score with a dead ball. That's another rules basic.
2) The ball is <b>dead</b> as soon as the shooter makes a "bucket", not vice-versa.
3) In any throw-in, the ball becomes live when it is at the disposal of the thrower.

In <b>all</b> three cases, the ball being live has got absolutely <b>NOTHING</b> to do with when the rules tell us to start the clock.

Lah....freaking.....me!:rolleyes:

There should be a message board rule that states if you don't have supporting documentation to back up your answer you have to preface your answer with the words: "I think" or "I believe".

I don't say this to be funny but a lot of us newbies come to this board to get knowledge and a better understanding of the rules.....but I guess if the original poster wanted an opinion then that's apparently what he got....

When you take the question into context, the OP stated when to start a running clock. Where do we have a running clock? In non-regulated, that is not Fed. controlled type games. IOW's, a rec league type of game, so the answer I gave, considering the question, which BTW, was a multiple choice question, was indeed correct, when the ball becomes live. Now, the point you and JR made is correct but it may be overkill to what the OP is looking for. Know your environment! If, you want to get super technical, get the book and desribe for us when the Fed. says the clock should be started instead of brow-beating the point that I was wrong. Just like JRUT says, there is no rules that describe rec league, or most make up their own, and i do have a trailor on every message, perhaps you should read it before posting. Now get over it....!!!

Johnny, if either team used a timeout, when would you restart the clock?

Restart it the same way.

I think you missed the point.

It is a valid opinion to say, "The clock should start when the ball becomes live." That's what you said.

It is also a valid opinion to say, "The clock should start when the clock would normally start in a game." Those are the examples you gave.

The issue is that the examples don't match the words. And you don't need to be "super technical" to understand the difference between "a live ball" and "the clock running". The two have nothing to do with one another.

Oh -- to the OP: I'd start the clock as soon as the reason for stopping the clock was removed. That is, if the rules have the clock running throughout the foul reporting and FT process (and include running the clock during the substitution for an ejected player), then I'd start the clock as soon as the injured player was off the floor.

The actual message board rule states, "Ignore every single word that Old School posts". He knows nothing about the rules of basketball or about officiating basketball. Listening to his input on officiating is like listening to Brittany Spears talk about good parenting. He posts here only to stir up trouble and cause confusion. Put him on your ignore list.

LOL - now you're trying to explain your answer . . . you clearly stated that you start the clock when the ball becomes live in a regulation game which is not the case. Just say "Ooops, brain fart!" and move on.

I have worked in leagues with rules like this, and pretty universally this question is not addressed. Oh well. :rolleyes:

If the only reason for stopping the clock was the blood situation, then I'd restart the clock as soon as the situation is resolved. If the spirit of the rule is to keep the clock running, let it run.

If you would normally have stopped the clock for the free throws (which is one of the common variations on this theme), then start as you normally would after the free throw.

Just my $0.02

Interesting scenario. In Florida, by state rule, there is a running clock once a 35 point differential is achieved (call it a Slaughter Rule if you like) so this sitch would apply to Fed governed contests here. The rule further states that the clock shall only be stopped for time-outs and Techs.
Thus, in the original sitch, I would proceed as follows:
1) we have an officials time out. (stop clock)
2) If the blood situation has been corrected, the time out has been concluded. Lets all set up for the free throw, if applicable, and
3)start the clock once the ball is at the disposal of the thrower.

Not sure if it's spelled out specifically anywhere for us, but that's my best guess how to handle it. Anyone have a better solution?

You'll find soon enough after reading enough of the board who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't. Some people post rule references and also respond with their interpretation of the play to match the rules. Just keep reading you'll find out who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.

Not all points of views can be answered with documentation. And even if I gave you some documentation, you might not like the source. You must realize on the internet anyone can say anything. It is your job as a reader to determine who you listen too and who you ignore. The problem is you quoted the least respected individual on this site and any other site I can think of that deals with officiating.

Newbies need to learn that you do not listen to everyone in officiating no different than you would listen to every doctor, lawyer or real estate agent just because they say something. Some people are going to have more credibility than others. I know when I started I did not listen to everyone because they where a veteran. The longer I have officiated the less I pay attention to more people because I have learned who has credibility and who does not. That is just something they will have to learn.

Peace

Jeff makes some good points. There are guys who've been officiating since 1990 that you really don't want to listen to. There are guys who've been officiating since 2003, however, that might have something important to say. Most people fall somewhere in between; much of what they say should at least be considered; even if you're going to discard it later.

The act of considering it and thinking about it will eventually make you a smarter official.

Thanks everyone for your feedback!

Since I am fairly new to the site I haven't had a real chance to learn who to weed out in regards to discussions as I try to give everyone a fair shake.

Thanks to all those you take the time to share factual info as I have learned a lot from my few weeks on the boards!

It will not take long to figure it out. Also, just like the number of years isn't a reliable measure of an official ability, neither is the number of posts.

In fact, some of the best teachers of the game may not have been the best on-court officials. A good official might be a lot better at teaching and communicating what they know than a great official.

Until you hear back from the state - sounds good!

This is a problem that I have seen several times with running-clock rules. Often the restarting of the clock becomes debated (an argument I have had many times in reffing IM basketball).

Well, I try to do this if the players will let me. Most of the time they don't say anything. My clock operator also will start it back to try to keep things on time. However, the closer games and the better teams will stop the clock with a TO. In cases like this, I don't restart it until the ball becomes live again after the F/T's have been shot.

This is effective for technical fouls. If I'm working a team that is down in the game and they burn a TO after their player commits a TF. We will take the TO, then shoot the TF with the clocked stopped, and then start it aftrwards.

Thanks all ... What I have done is convinced the league to come up with a rule on how they want to handle this typr of situation.

What I did was handled it just like I would a timeout. after the FTs and the ball ws inbounded - we started the clock. One team did not like it and objected ... but, there was no rule in place for this and I did what I thought was right.

Unless there's a rule in place, one team is always going to be upset.

Even having a rule is no guarantee somebody won't be upset. Sounds like you did just fine Johnny.

you misspelled. Sentence should read, "Even with a rule in place, one team..."

Copycat :P

Yeah, but she did it using my own joke against me. She gets a higher grade.

I hate it when she wins! :mad:

In my state, the running clock rule has a stipulation that the clock be stopped for any free throws in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter.

Extrapolating this for your situation, I'd be inclined to start the clock as I would after the last three throw.

(If it was a summer game, I'd ask to start the clock as soon as the first free throw was administered, mostly since most summer leagues are loosey-goosey when it comes to admin stuff :D )

Just my $0.02