I thought of Mark Dexter on Friday night at a girls JV game I did. Coach B (see thread "Coaching Issues") was mad that his team was behind, and decided it was our fault. midway through the second quarter, he said to me, "You're calling a lot more fouls on us than them. Do you like them better?" This after we had just called two in a row on A, and A had 10 fouls, and B only five. I said, "Coach we call what we see." He said, "I think you've got a formula, three for us one for them." While his girl is missing two free throws. I put up my hand, and said, "That's enough." He \said, "Well, you just called one for them so now we get three more." WHACK!! I thought, "Well, perhaps, coach you were right, and here's the first of those three." I didn't say that!

About two plays later Coach B gets a time out. He walks out about to where the person who reported the time out would stand if it was a 30 second time out. and just stands there and stares at me. For almost the whole time out. There was no assistant coach. The poor girls were just huddled in the bench area with nothing to think about or do. I stood at the endline where I was going to inbound the ball, and tried not to laugh. And thought about Mark Dexter's signature line, "You can stare at me all you want, I'm not going to change my call."

Later I told my partner, "I'm not going to eject him, I don't want to do the paper work."

If you have already given him a T. I might cut a little slack on his stare down. If not, my rope might be a little shorter. Stare down is taunting.

rain,
on your situation- if the coach were to burn a timeout to stare at me(i consider this showing up an official) i would approach him and say, "you need to get to your bench." if he does not go to his bench within a coupl of sec. i would then give him his second tech and be done with it.

i have a friend that had this similar situation. he went to the coach and asked "do you want a tech?" the coach said, "do it." he then administered the second and the coach went away.

coaches do this and win when the official does not address the situation. you lose credibility in the coaches eyes and make it difficult on yourself in future games with him because he will not have as much respect for you.

i am not saying what you did was wrong(you may have done the best thing for the situation) but this is how i read your situation. he questioning you guys quite a bit it seems.

I wouldn't let the stare down continue. I would tell the coach to go back and coach. If he chooses to continue staring, I'd whack him and be done with it.

Don't let the coach show you up. Ever.

FWIW I agree with crew & stripes. He was staring at you,
you should have acted on it.

JV game, no asst., one T already, hmmmm. i guess i would have to be in that position to decide what to do. I would have to take the whole game in consideration. i.e. time & distance, attitudes of coaches and players, etc. I might want to even take in consideration of my performace. If i just called a Horse xxxx call.

Juulie - give him the "3-finger salute" while rubbing your nose. Then stare at his pants and puke on his shoes.

Seriously (really, I'll try) - I would have told him that while he could come out a little on the court during a timeout, he needs to stay in the bench area. You could try this:

"Coach, apparently you don't think you can be of any benefit to you team during this timeout, but you still must stay near your bench area and not out here in the middle of the floor. Do I make myself clear?"

Then, if he immediately doesn't turn around and go back - WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Game over - problem solved.

BTW - just keep repeating this mantra - "Paperwork is fun."

Hmmm.....

Interesting responses, and not what I expected. I didn't feel shown up, I felt that he was showing how pathetic his coaching was. I mean, fans were laughing and commenting. The whole thing was really so childish. But I see your point about respect from then on. I wonder if this (staring) incident contributed to the lack of respect shown by the other coach later in the game? (See post, "Coaching Issues")

Wait. This coach's team had 5 fouls, the other team had 10 fouls, and he was complaining that you were throwing the game to the other team?

I have an ejection for participating without a brain.

"Coach, if I have to stay here to watch this mess, then so do you."

I love this one.

I should use it when we get close to the 30-point forfeit rule.

I used that expression once, and it got me in lots of trouble, got the coach even more worked up. "well, it is your fault that this is a mess, do something about it, don't swallow your whistle every time you get to MY side of the court!" So, I don't use that one anymore, I am going to try Mark's "coach, that's a coaching issue though"

Maybe. BTW, it's been my experience that the ability to
"take care of business" is huge in separating the V refs
from for JV refs. FWIW.

Not to sound like a jerk but...
 

If you told your partner "you didn't want to do the paperwork" you need to reconsider why you're officiating that level of ball. I agree, that in a low-level, blowout game, you keep the coach and put up with his b.s. But in any high school game, you need to set the example, and not condone this kind of behavior.

My association just had one of the C.I.F. head-honchos come and talk to us about this exact problem. By not ejecting the coach, you're setting a precedent for every official that does his games the rest of the season. Stand up for yourself, eject the S.O.B., and take the 5 minutes it takes to fax in a report!

I told my partner at half-time, "I gave the technical for stupidity."

No doubt in my mind that his *** would have been gone. But I would probably have let my partner handle it. Wasn't he nearer to the coach than you were, since you were at the spot?

Next time, remember my signature, not Dexter's!! :D

Just on observation but:

I believe too many of our fellow officials have what's commonly known as "Rabbit Ears".

They will be quick to give a T for what a coach said rather than how a coach acts.

It amazes me that some officials can even quote these long drawn out conversations of what a coach is saying too them.
Heck, if it's not a short "chip" I don't even pay attention to them. The same goes for when we talk to them, keep it short. There is no need for a long winded conversation.

Now, Hawk's Coach, don't tell your brothern that I'm not paying attention...because they probably think I am...I'm running down the court shaking my head as if I am taking it all in, when in actuality their statements are going through one ear and out the other.

BUT, if a Coach is acting in an unsportsmanlike manner...i.e. "showing me up"...he has a very short rope.

Someone said it is about credability...they are exactly right! You will lose the respect of the opposing coaches not to mention the fans, players and fellow officials for letting a coach get away with actions that demean your officiating.

In short, Whack um for what they do...not so much what they say. (don't let those ears get too big.) :)

Dan

This same scenario happened in a boy JV game last week. I T'd the coach, told my partner why and discussed what would happen if a second "T" was necessary. About 3 trips up and back, during a full timeout the coach came down toward the end line (I was trail and would be administering the ball), and stared at me. About 20 seconds into the timeout I told him to stay within his bench area. He made no effort to move and my partner then "whacked" him for the second "T". Problem solved. Sad thing is, his team was up by 15 and the assistant coach finished the game and never said boo to us.

I find it interesting. . .
 

Just an odd observation. . .

I find it very funny that everyone here told me that I was over-reacting to the mascot who was doing his "blind ref" act. But now, you all want to toss this coach for doing, literally, nothing. He's going to stand there and waste his time-out and just look at you. And you want to toss him? I personally would just stand there and stare back. Maybe blow him a little kiss or something.

I often chastise crew (tony) for mentioning "how things are done in college", but this one example stands out in my mind. I saw this exact same thing from John Chaney during a Temple game. He was pissed, called a TO, stood 3 feet onto the floor and just stared at the official at midcourt. Stared at him for 75 seconds. Never took his eyes off him, I'm not sure he ever blinked. But so what? He looked like an idiot and then the game continued.

I would not have T'd a coach for staring, as long as he did it from the bench "area". I wouldn't consider that to be taking care of bidness.

Chuck

chuck,
i know exactly what you are talking about, but you said the coach stayed near his bench. which i guess is o.k. he can use his timeout how he pleases from the bench, the play i am referring to is when he comes out onto the court. though i would probly address the coach even if he was still in the bench area. because ther are so many college officilas it is difficult to have consistency across the nation and some officials adress situations differently than others. how i stated previously is how i would handle this situation, but others may not handle this as i would.

Re: I find it interesting. . .
 

Chuck,Don Chaney's used that one quite a few times.I keep waiting for an official to point at him and start laughing.Probably never happen,though.As for T's,I use the "pissed-off" philosophy.If someone pisses me off,it's a T.Otherwise,puke on his shoes and keep the game going.:D:

My problem with your mascot post was that you stated you would eject the mascot for strangling a scorpion mascot at halftime. (Did I remember correctly?)

I don't have a problem with you ejecting a mascot who is demeaning to the officials during the actually game.

Beyond that, a coach is part of the game and is expected to conduct himself professionally. Mascots did stupid things all the time. That is why I would have more tolerance for the mascot, until "it" crossed the line.

Re: I find it interesting. . .
 

Chuck, to my mind taking care of business means getting the
coach off the floor. That means walking over & telling
him to get off. If he doesn't comply he gets the T. I
agree you don't T this from across the court.

I say again "its a coaching problem" and leave it at that!!
Don't get into staring down problems thats reserved for the maturity levels of the Lennoxs' and Tysons' of this world!!!
Pistol

Mark:

"I should use it when we get close to the 30-point forfeit rule."

Why would this be a forfeit? Sounds more like a mercy rule to me.

Bob

Yeah; you're right.

Those damn semantics . . . :)