2.3 Referees Authority

[wanja]

Rule 2.3 states that the referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules. Has anyone applied this rule in a game or can you think of any good hypothetical examples. I'm leading a rules study session tomorrow and could really use a couple of good examples.

[BktBallRef]

Personally, I would stay away from such a discussion. Start giving examples of when you might use this and suddenly, guys could start looking for reasons to use it. I've been to a lot of rules clinics and I've never heard anyone use this as a topic.

[wanja]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Personally, I would stay away from such a discussion. Start giving examples of when you might use this and suddenly, guys could start looking for reasons to use it. I've been to a lot of rules clinics and I've never heard anyone use this as a topic.

I hear you and will avoid giving examples and also make the point that this is a rule unlikely to be encountered. Since we go over every rule for testing purposes it will be hard to avoid totally. I'm still interested in any experience applying this rule.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by wanja

Since we go over every rule for testing purposes it will be hard to avoid totally.

Cover it with the same detail you'll cover "multiple fouls" -- that is, it's in the rulebook, but you should never use it. Then, quickly go on to something productive.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Cover it with the same detail you'll cover "multiple fouls" -- that is, it's in the rulebook, but you should never use it. Then, quickly go on to something productive.

We have a winner!

Why waste time on something that might never be needed? I've never used R2-3 or seen it used- going back to 1959. Spend time on things that actually occur, not third world plays.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I've never used R2-3 or seen it used- going back to 1959.

Just curious: would that be CE?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by wanja

Since we go over every rule for testing purposes it will be hard to avoid totally.

I can't remember ever seeing a question on an NFHS exam based on R2-3.

Just saying.....

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by wanja

Rule 2.3 states that the referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules. Has anyone applied this rule in a game or can you think of any good hypothetical examples. I'm leading a rules study session tomorrow and could really use a couple of good examples.

Example: Players, fans, and coaches are so out of hand due to whatever reasons, even after many Technical fouls, that you make the decision to end the game before the game is officially over. I've done it.

Think NBA game pacers vs. pistons where they ended the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Example: Players, fans, and coaches are so out of hand due to whatever reasons, even after many Technical fouls, that you make the decision to end the game before the game is officially over. I've done it.

Think NBA game pacers vs. pistons where they ended the game.

Nope, that's not an example of something would be a proper use of 2-3, since there are rules in the book which cover the situation--namely 2-5-4 and 2-8-1 Note.

[JRutledge]

Last year I was in a game where a kid dislocated his knee. The game was delayed probably 25 minutes. We allowed both teams to warm-up a little before we resumed play. Nothing in the rules says we can do this or even addresses this situation specifically, but we did it because of such a long delay.

Another year I was watching a game with a team from a poorer neighborhood and they had illegal jerseys for the JV game. All jerseys did not have front numbers and the officials did not give any Ts and allowed the team to play. This school also came from a very long way and it just would not have made good sense to penalize the team with the rule.

This is not a hypothetical, but it is a case where you can use some judgment.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Another year I was watching a game with a team from a poorer neighborhood and they had illegal jerseys for the JV game. All jerseys did not have front numbers and the officials did not give any Ts and allowed the team to play. This school also came from a very long way and it just would not have made good sense to penalize the team with the rule.

Not applying a rule that is in the book is not an example of applying 2-3, it is simply an example of ignoring a rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not applying a rule that is in the book is not an example of applying 2-3, it is simply an example of ignoring a rule.

I disagree. Then again you are not from the NF, but you want to make the rest of us think you are.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree. Then again you are not from the NF, but you want to make the rest of us think you are.

You can disagree all that you want, but it won't change the fact that 2-3 is for "points not specifically covered in the rules."

While what you did may have been intelligent and in the best interests of that game, it does not mean that your decision to overlook the illegal jerseys was an application of 2-3. It would be poor for wanja to give this as an example to his study class.

PS I have never claimed to be "from the NF" nor do I desire to make anyone think that I am. I don't know where you come up with these prevarications.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You can disagree all that you want, but it won't change the fact that 2-3 is for "points not specifically covered in the rules."

While what you did may have been intelligent and in the best interests of that game, it does not mean that your decision to overlook the illegal jerseys was an application of 2-3. It would be poor for wanja to give this as an example to his study class.

PS I have never claimed to be "from the NF" nor do I desire to make anyone think that I am. I don't know where you come up with these prevarications.

Nothing in the rules covers situations like a fire or income situations that might affect the actual application of rules or how to alleviate. Or what do you do when the court does not fit the specific rules as written. Do you cancel the game? Do you play? Do you consider a different line as the out of bounds line or division line. I played a year at a Missouri Private School and our court was not regulation and we still played the games. I am not giving Ts to prove I know a rule when circumstances might be unavoidable even if the rule is in conflict.

I think the problem Nevada you need to get out of the desert and get around to many different situations that are not packaged in a perfect little book.

Peace

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by wanja

Rule 2.3 states that the referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules. Has anyone applied this rule in a game or can you think of any good hypothetical examples. I'm leading a rules study session tomorrow and could really use a couple of good examples.

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