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Mark Padgett Tue Sep 04, 2007 01:51pm

You make the call, part whatever
 
Should there be any ejections? Or is it just your average run-of-the-mill chickfight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4jij...elated&search=

Lcubed48 Tue Sep 04, 2007 02:12pm

[QUOTE=Mark Padgett]Should there be any ejections? Or is it just your average run-of-the-mill chickfight?

:eek: Looks like a old fashioned chick fight to although not a very good one. KICK ME! KICK ME!! PLEASE!!! NO! NO! HIT ME! I INSIST! :eek:
But to answer your question, an ejection or two would seem to be warranted depending on how much of the entire play that the crew saw. Fortunately for me, no girls/womens game that I've worked has degenerated into that.

Jurassic Referee Tue Sep 04, 2007 02:24pm

Under NFHS rules, I'd say 2 ejections for fighting--#5 Red and #10 Gold. And it looked like #9 Gold deliberately dropped the ball on #5 Red when she was down.

Sooooooo......
- someone fouled #5 Red in the act of shooting.
- followed by double flagrant technical fouls on both #5 red and #10 gold for fighting.
-followed by a technical foul on #9 gold.

- the substitute for #5 red gets 2 FT's with no one on the lanes.
- no FT's for the double flagrant technical fouls.
- any Red player(s) can shoot the 2 FT's for the "T" by #9 Gold.
- throw-in for Red at center.

Looks like a FIBA game, so I don't have a clue what the call should be under that ruleset.

We've looked at this one before iirc.

Mountaineer Tue Sep 04, 2007 02:48pm

I agree with Jurassic Ref - 2 ejections, T on #9 but I don't think she dropped the ball on purpose. I thought #4 red reached around #9 and accidentaly knocked the ball out of her hand.

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 04, 2007 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Under NFHS rules, I'd say 2 ejections for fighting--#5 Red and #10 Gold.

Agree.

Quote:

And it looked like #9 Gold deliberately dropped the ball on #5 Red when she was down.
Disagree. Looks to me like the ball was knocked out of her hands. If I'm not sure about it, I'm not going to add the T.

Eject for the kick and the push and leave it at that.

Camron Rust Tue Sep 04, 2007 03:27pm

I agree with JR....but could even see tossing #9 as an option. She had no business straddling the red player. It looked like she was doing so to intimidate her...would have been interesting to hear too.

Jurassic Referee Tue Sep 04, 2007 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Disagree. Looks to me like the ball was knocked out of her hands. If I'm not sure about it, I'm not going to add the T.

Eject for the kick and the push and leave it at that.

So.....NFHS.....
- sub for #5 Red shoots 2 for the foul in the act of shooting
- no FT's for the double technical foul
-resume play at POI of the double technical foul, which is the Red sub for #5 shooting 2 FT's with the teams lined up on the lanes.

Ref in PA Tue Sep 04, 2007 03:56pm

What bothered me most was the location of the hands of the ref when pulling gold 10 away from the fight.

Mark Padgett Tue Sep 04, 2007 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Ref in PA
What bothered me most was the location of the hands of the ref when pulling gold 10 away from the fight.

I noticed that but I figured he was just trying to keep abreast of the situation. :p

Dan_ref Tue Sep 04, 2007 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
We've looked at this one before iirc.

Yeah I remember seeing that left cross before. I am *still* impressed!

rainmaker Tue Sep 04, 2007 04:23pm

That #10 needs some serious anger management classes.

But then, #5 had no business kicking her. Sheez, what an idiot.

Was there a sheriff there? If they knew there would be problems.... hmmm.... not sure how to finish that sentence.

Mountaineer Tue Sep 04, 2007 04:46pm

I've always been taught that you don't grab a player and pull them away - if you restrain their arms like that and someone takes a swing at them that could be even worse!

I still say that #9 gets a T for standing over the player on the floor. That means gold will shoot two additional FT's - in addition to the 2 for the foul in the act of shooting.

Jurassic Referee Tue Sep 04, 2007 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Yeah I remember seeing that left cross before. I am *still* impressed!

<i>Hell hath no fury like a wimmen kicked.</i>

I think that's in the Bible somewhere.

Scrapper1 Tue Sep 04, 2007 05:12pm

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer
I still say that #9 gets a T for standing over the player on the floor.

I wouldn't have a problem with that. What I was disagreeing with was that the player intentionally threw or dropped the ball on the player on the floor.

If you think the straddle is unsportsmanlike, then by all means whack away.

Jurassic Referee Tue Sep 04, 2007 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I wouldn't have a problem with that. What I was disagreeing with was that the player intentionally threw or dropped the ball on the player on the floor.

If you think the straddle is unsportsmanlike, then by all means whack away.

Both are straight judgment calls.


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