:cool: I tried the NB`s 888 ,I didn`t like them, they were(are) very stiff,I mean very stiff,very boot like,you can see them at honig`s.com Honig's Whistle Stop Online Store - Products And guys, stop the madness, buy one pair of standard sneaks,and one pair of patent leather, and don`t be cheap,(you can deduct whatever you buy off your taxes) Use the patent leather for you big crowd games,or hotly contested weekend tournaments. And use the standard sneaks for you rec leagues,and little kid games,etc.:cool: