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boiseball Tue Jul 24, 2007 09:57pm

mike mathis audio, a must listen on nba
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...ris&id=2947549

and then go to audio on the side and look for mike mathis audio, he has the sounds of a bitter nba ref and really attacks the way nba refs are trained and supervised and basically talks like the nba has extremely subpar officials, a must listen

rainmaker Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:06pm

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Originally Posted by boiseball
a must listen

Must listen to this garbage..... why???

Nevadaref Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:30pm

Why would someone who officiated in the NBA for 25 years and worked 12 Finals be bitter? Perhaps he bristles at the mention of "criminal" activity from an NBA official. Afterall, he was one of those who plead guilty in the tax evasion scandal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mathis

canuckrefguy Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:35am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Must listen to this garbage..... why???

Ummm - because multiple perspectives on an issue are good....??

rainmaker Wed Jul 25, 2007 01:01am

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy
Ummm - because multiple perspectives on an issue are good....??

I'm not sure that bitter diatribe is a legitimate "perspective".

JRutledge Wed Jul 25, 2007 01:27am

I have to agree with Juulie on this. The ranting of Mathis does not make his opinions any more credible. It was clear when I listened to him on ESPN today that he was clearly bitter and does not like David Stern. I would not call his opinions a must listen on any level. It is just another opinion and he was a former NBA official.

Peace

zebraman Wed Jul 25, 2007 01:35am

While I was working out today, Jim Rome was interviewing Mathis. He is definitely bitter. He criticized everything that has ever been done in the world of NBA officiating that did not benefit him. It was pretty pathetic. Huge chip on his shoulder.

Scrapper1 Wed Jul 25, 2007 07:59am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Why would someone who officiated in the NBA for 25 years and worked 12 Finals be bitter?

As you mentioned, he was caught in the ticket laundering scandal. Maybe he's bitter about how the NBA booted him for 2 years before letting him back in, or about something else that happened right before he retired.

Dan_ref Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:01am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
I'm not sure that bitter diatribe is a legitimate "perspective".

Not a big Michael Moore fan I see.

BktBallRef Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Not a big Michael Moore fan I see.

That would make two of us.

rainmaker Wed Jul 25, 2007 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Not a big Michael Moore fan I see.

You're right, I'm not. Not because I don't agree with his opinions, although I don't always, but because I don't think that polarizing people against each other is a good way to solve problems. But I don't think solving problems is really his goal.

Adam Wed Jul 25, 2007 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
You're right, I'm not. Not because I don't agree with his opinions, although I don't always, but because I don't think that polarizing people against each other is a good way to solve problems. But I don't think solving problems is really his goal.

Nope. He's just a really good capitalist. Ironic, huh?

JRutledge Wed Jul 25, 2007 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
You're right, I'm not. Not because I don't agree with his opinions, although I don't always, but because I don't think that polarizing people against each other is a good way to solve problems. But I don't think solving problems is really his goal.

I think bringing and issue to light in a funny and informative way is about solving problems. People do not read papers anymore. People do not use their minds anymore to think. We pay more attention to Lindsey Lohan who has more money that anyone will ever need and whose transgressions will not help our troops win a war or give this country a better system of health care. And BTW, what has he been wrong about in any of his movies? Corporate America is making decisions that do not have the countries best interest at heart. The war was a sham and many of the reasons we went to war did not come true or were not true. Guns have not made us safer. And our health care is not affordable for the average individual even if you were promised health care by your regular job. It is up to us to solve the problems. All he or anyone can do is put light on the situation.

Rant over :D

Peace

Dan_ref Wed Jul 25, 2007 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
And BTW, what has he been wrong about in any of his movies?

Enjoy

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...oore+is+a+liar

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,040,000

btw Snaq, he's not a good capitalist. He's a GREAT capitalist. Makes John D Rockefeller look like Karl Marx.

JRutledge Wed Jul 25, 2007 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Enjoy

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...oore+is+a+liar

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,040,000

btw Snaq, he's not a good capitalist. He's a GREAT capitalist. Makes John D Rockefeller look like Karl Marx.

Same type of link

Change the name and you get around 1,800,000 findings. I am going to suggest that this search is just a credible. ;)

Peace

Adam Wed Jul 25, 2007 04:15pm

My biggest problem is that his "documentaries" are expensive editorials either using actors, scripted scenes, or lines fed to unsuspecting bystanders just happy to be in a movie.

Odd Duck Wed Jul 25, 2007 04:43pm

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Corporate America is making decisions that do not have the countries best interest at heart.
Peace

Uh...their first priority is not to the country, it is to their stockholders. If you have a 401(k) or other retirement instrument you are probably one of them (stockholder).

It is up to the PEOPLE (collectively) to make decisions in the best interest of the country. And the majority of those that care do so everytime there is an election.

boiseball Wed Jul 25, 2007 04:52pm

apparently it was not a must listen; just thought some fellow refs would find it interesting, I figured he must have a chip on his shoulder. I still found myself believing that there is likely some truth to it, particularly his discussion of accountability, how is it that the nba has so many phantom calls, so many calls where you just scratch your head and say, wow that must have been a guess. I do not watch a lot of basketball anymore but my opinion, and it is not something you can prove, is that phantom calls rarely occur in college basketball while they occur regularly in an nba game. And phantom calls are completely different than making calls to benefit superstars (which I hate but may not be the fault of referees if that is what the league preaches).

Jurassic Referee Wed Jul 25, 2007 05:06pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
Same type of link

Change the name and you get around 1,800,000 findings. I am going to suggest that this search is just a credible. ;)

Peace

And if you punch in "Dan is a liar", you'll get 2,120,000 hits. That's more than Bush.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...e+Search&meta=

Of course, searching for "Jeff is a liar" also gets you another 1,580,00 hits. That's more than Moore.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...e+Search&meta=

Don't tell Old School. He'll say "I told ya so!" :D

JRutledge Wed Jul 25, 2007 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by Odd Duck
Uh...their first priority is not to the country, it is to their stockholders. If you have a 401(k) or other retirement instrument you are probably one of them (stockholder).

I agree, but there are some moral issues that should be apart of any company. If you are undermining the fabric of our country, then I do not have a lot of sympathy for your plight. Also understand when I say moral issues I am not talking about religion or even a political agenda. I just think some things in our society are for the greater good and just making money cannot be the only thing that this society needs.

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Originally Posted by Odd Duck
It is up to the PEOPLE (collectively) to make decisions in the best interest of the country. And the majority of those that care do so everytime there is an election.

I agree, but Moore has the right to inform the public about certain issues. Now if you do not like the information, do not accept it. No one is forcing anyone to attend the movies he makes or vote for his positions.

Peace


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