Damn 9th Circuit Court of Appeals! :D

No, I didn't

I actually thought it had something to do with Judge Judy.

Thanks for bringing me up to date.

:rolleyes:

Damn 9th Circuit Court of Appeals!

:eek:

Thanks snagwells; that cleared it up for me. I appreciate it. I wasn't aware that the 'three points' only came into play when dribbling.

and when dribbling from backcourt to frontcourt. Once the dribbler does establish frontcourt status, the 3 point rule is as irrelevant as a dirty shirt, as meaningless as yesterday's newspaper. Once frontcourt status is attained, ANY single touch in the backcourt, either one foot, the other foot, or the ball, is a violation. Again, on a dribble.

Yes, and touching any part of the division line is considered to be the backcourt... contrary to what some summer coaches believe, a player doesn't have to cross the line to be IN the backcourt.

But he does have to cross the line to be in the front court.

You do realize that "Judge not" means "Do not judge".

Do you realize that "Lest ye be judged" means "if you don't want to be judged by others?" "Judge not" is not a commandment, it is a warning. It means "Watch out, you may not realize what you're getting yourself into" Apt words for OS who brought the whole subject up in the first place!

You also should realize that "Judging" in the context originally written, didn't mean "to discriminate between right and wrong". It meant "to impose final sentence". So "Judge not lest ye be judged" meant, "You can't know who's going to Hell and who's not, so you'd better not treat anyone as a Hellion". It was never intended to mean, "Don't ever tell anyone what they're doing is wrong, or against God's law". Rather we need to judge right and wrong, but not consign anyone to the ranks of hopeless or automatically condemned.

I'm willing to do that myself, by the way. I might tell you you're wrong, wrong, wrong in certain actions, but I'll never write you off or condemn you. You'll have to set that up for yourself! (I don't mean you personally Jim, just whoever is out there).

As an amateur theologian, well said!

Actually I believe Mountaineer's a bit closer to the truth here as I understand it anyways Juulie. I think it amounts to "he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones" (or maybe better for this discussion "he who is without sin cast the first stone"). But we certainly agree on the larger point that it does not mean do not judge, period.

And before the mods get nervous this *is* a rules discussion.

OK, so now that religious discussion has been allowed back into this forum, can we start discussion race too?

Yea, for the purposes of this discussion, I see your point. I guess I was addressing a different theological issue, which can arise from this saying.

It's interesting to see this in a basketball light. We help the game when we call fouls as being simply illegal actions, and not as "judgments" on people. This is why we work to call technical fouls as fouls and not as emotional, showy attacks. We have to judge in the sense of discriminating between "right" and "wrong", in the context of the basketball game, but we can do it without judging in the sense of attacking or insulting the offender. We usually say this by saying "Will the T make the game better?" and by talking abourt avoiding a retributive attitude.

Is that enough, mods, to keep this discussion of scripture from being cut out of this thread?

I will judge your behavior as "right" or "wrong" but I won't judge you by being insulting or retributive:

I hope not!

Sure, I'll kick it off.

Why don't you "race" back to your cave and leave we humans alone?

I wasn't aware NASCAR was off limits here.

See post #193

You're a little late.

Hey! How'd I get dragged into this? Just remember, I'm not the one who lists "hell" as his place of residence...

...sniff...sniff...I feel so...

...judged...

You just don't like me because of the color of my shirt.

Yup. How 'bout that Tour de France?

No, there are lots of other good reasons.

Oh, ok then.

Now I don't feel so...wait a minute...

You should feel better, because at least you're being judged for the content of your character.

Ok, I feel better.

Glad I could help.