What I hope is the last freaking AP throw-in quiz

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

A1 to inbound on an AP throw-in. During the throw-in, the ball is simultaneously kicked by A2 and B1. Does team A retain the arrow for the subsequent throw-in?

Mark, the whistle would be jump ball. There's no such thing as a double kick violation, or I should say I don't think there is such a thing. I'm sure Mr. Rulebook will correct me if I'm wrong. In NCAA Women's, maybe we can say the offensive kick ball, or vice-versa came first and go that route. Interesting.... If I had two players do this, I would eject both of them for flagrant fouls attempting to kick each other.

Have a nice day

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Old School

In NCAA Women's, maybe we can say the offensive kick ball, or vice-versa came first and go that route.

Why only in NCAA Women's? Couldn't you make the same ruling at any level? I've had situations where, at first, it appeared players from opposite teams hit the ball OOB simultaneously, but upon further reflection, I "realized" one hit it just a split mini-micro-second before the other one.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

A1 to inbound on an AP throw-in. During the throw-in, the ball is simultaneously kicked by A2 and B1. Does team A retain the arrow for the subsequent throw-in?

Mark:

You are one sick puppy.

MTD, Sr.

[HawkeyeCubP]

I'll go with Snaq's second degree false double violation; and depending on which half of the court and on which island it happened on in Alaska, we may not whistle it until tomorrow.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Mark:

You are one sick puppy.

MTD, Sr.

Arf! Puke!

Yup, I am.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

A1 to inbound on an AP throw-in. During the throw-in, the ball is simultaneously kicked by A2 and B1. Does team A retain the arrow for the subsequent throw-in?

Amazingly, this situation is not covered by the NFHS Rules Book! Check for yourself and you will see that a simultaneous kicking violation is NOT one of the items listed that necessitates an AP throw-in.

6-4-3 . . . Alternating-possession throw-ins shall be from the out-of-bounds spot nearest to where the ball was located. An alternating-possession throw-in shall result when:
a. A held ball occurs.
b. The ball goes out of bounds, as in 7-3.
c. A simultaneous free-throw violation occurs.
d. A live ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange, unless a free throw or throw-in follows.
e. The ball becomes dead when neither team is in control and no goal, infraction nor end of a quarter/extra period is involved.
f. Opponents commit simultaneous goaltending or basket-interference violations.
g. Double personal, double technical or simultaneous fouls occur and the point of interruption is such that neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved.

Therefore, this situation must fall under 2-3.
If I were the referee and had to make a decision I would extrapolate from 9-4, 6-4-3, 6-4-5, Penalty #4 from 9-11+12, and 6.4.5 SitA.
My ruling is that the simultaneous kicking violation results in an AP throw-in, and that Team B is entitled to make this new AP throw-in as Team A lost the arrow by committing a violation during the prior throw-in. Even though this violation was part of a simultaneous violation, Team A still committed a violation. Thus Team A loses their turn at the arrow.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Amazingly, this situation is not covered by the NFHS Rules Book! Check for yourself and you will see that a simultaneous kicking violation is NOT one of the items listed that necessitates an AP throw-in.

Where's ChuckElias when you need him? We need to get this situation added ASAP!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Where's ChuckElias when you need him? We need to get this situation added ASAP!

Yeah, where is he?