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co2ice Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:37am

Just a quick question. Is it okay for the coach of team A to huddle is players up,(like a 30) on the court while team B replaces a disqualified player? To me it doesn't seem right but then again if B is stalling should A be allowed to take advantage? Thanks in advance!!!

Danvrapp Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:52am

I wouldn't have a problem with it unless team A doesn't get back on the floor when I let 'em know we're ready to play.

If they delay, I put the ball on the floor and start my 5-second count.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 28, 2001 11:53am

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Originally posted by co2ice
Just a quick question. Is it okay for the coach of team A to huddle is players up,(like a 30) on the court while team B replaces a disqualified player? To me it doesn't seem right but then again if B is stalling should A be allowed to take advantage? Thanks in advance!!!
OF course it's allowed. B can huddle, and they committed the foul. Why shouldn't A be allowed to huddle?

Why is this dead ball period any different from any other dead ball period? As long as the team is ready to play (doesn't delay the ball from becoming live), or accepts the consequences of not being ready, the coach can huddle anytime s./he wants.

Brian Watson Fri Dec 28, 2001 12:20pm

The team needs to stay on the floor and the coach off, but why not?

mick Fri Dec 28, 2001 12:34pm

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Originally posted by Brian Watson
The team needs to stay on the floor and the coach off, but why not?
Brian,
During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick

Danvrapp Fri Dec 28, 2001 12:39pm

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Originally posted by mick
Brian,
During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick

Mick, is this a riddle? Is the answer "Because the official would puke on his shoes?" :D

bigwhistle Fri Dec 28, 2001 01:02pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick
Quote:

During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick
mick,

Are you going to allow the coach to come onto the court after every made basket? The ball becomes dead. :D

The coach needs to stay off the floor unless beckoned or if there is a time out.

Brian Watson Mon Dec 31, 2001 08:30am

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Watson
The team needs to stay on the floor and the coach off, but why not?
Brian,
During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick

The way I interpret the "coaches rule" based on rule one and the description of the coaching box, the "confines of the bench" means the area in front of the bench and out side the sideline.

mick Mon Dec 31, 2001 09:36am

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Originally posted by Brian Watson
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Watson
The team needs to stay on the floor and the coach off, but why not?
Brian,
During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick

The way I interpret the "coaches rule" based on rule one and the description of the coaching box, the "confines of the bench" means the area in front of the bench and out side the sideline.

Brian,
I don't disagree.
But, I am not troubled too much by a coach stepping onto the floor during a dead ball if they are coaching, or asking. I figger they are excited about the game and are not interfering with the non-play.
When the ball is about to be inbounded, they meander back to box-land before they get in the way of play.
mick

Jurassic Referee Mon Dec 31, 2001 09:59am

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Originally posted by mick

Brian,
I don't disagree.
But, I am not troubled too much by a coach stepping onto the floor during a dead ball if they are coaching, or asking. I figger they are excited about the game and are not interfering with the non-play.
When the ball is about to be inbounded, they meander back to box-land before they get in the way of play.
mick [/B]
Exactly,Mick! If they're not yapping at us and aren't in the way,who cares?

Brian Watson Mon Dec 31, 2001 10:19am

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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Brian Watson
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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Brian Watson
The team needs to stay on the floor and the coach off, but why not?
Brian,
During a dead ball, why must the coach remain off the court?
mick

The way I interpret the "coaches rule" based on rule one and the description of the coaching box, the "confines of the bench" means the area in front of the bench and out side the sideline.

Brian,
I don't disagree.
But, I am not troubled too much by a coach stepping onto the floor during a dead ball if they are coaching, or asking. I figger they are excited about the game and are not interfering with the non-play.
When the ball is about to be inbounded, they meander back to box-land before they get in the way of play.
mick

Common sense does apply. If they are a step or so on the floor, I am not going to run over and shoo them. I have had coaches try to come out to the lane, half court etc. In these cases I tell them to stay OOB. I figure they less they are on the floor, the fewer problems.

Actually, I have found in this area it is like where to stand for a T, they will self enforce a rule that doesn't exist. The first thing they do is remind their kids to stay on the floor while they "toe" the sideline.

mick Mon Dec 31, 2001 10:32am

Cool !
 
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Originally posted by Brian Watson

Common sense does apply. If they are a step or so on the floor, I am not going to run over and shoo them. I have had coaches try to come out to the lane, half court etc. In these cases I tell them to stay OOB. I figure they less they are on the floor, the fewer problems.

Actually, I have found in this area it is like where to stand for a T, they will self enforce a rule that doesn't exist. The first thing they do is remind their kids to stay on the floor while they "toe" the sideline.

That's pretty convenient when they enforce an action that makes our job easier. :)
mick

Dan_ref Mon Dec 31, 2001 12:18pm

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Originally posted by mick


Brian,
I don't disagree.
But, I am not troubled too much by a coach stepping onto the floor during a dead ball if they are coaching, or asking. I figger they are excited about the game and are not interfering with the non-play.
When the ball is about to be inbounded, they meander back to box-land before they get in the way of play.
mick

Up until fairly recently I felt the same way but my recent
run in with Coach "Don't Touch Me" (I think he has a
cousin out west somewhere, eh Drake?) has changed my
thinking on this. I still don't mind him taking a few
steps on to coach, but if he's asking my first response
now is "Coach, I can't talk to you while you're on the
floor".

mick Mon Dec 31, 2001 12:52pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Up until fairly recently I felt the same way but my recent
run in with Coach "Don't Touch Me" (I think he has a
cousin out west somewhere, eh Drake?) has changed my
thinking on this. I still don't mind him taking a few
steps on to coach, but if he's asking my first response
now is "Coach, I can't talk to you while you're on the
floor".

Sparky,
I had a coach just screamin' at me the other night on a no-call. It was during a dead ball. He was outa the box about mid-court.
I walked over to his coaching box and stood on the floor with my hands behind my back, and my head humbly bowed, while he carved me a new orifice. He wasn't swearing, just talking loudly. (<i>When I walked to the spot in front of his box, he, of course, followed cuz he wasn't quite done with me.</i>)
I listened.
I left.
At halftime during warm-ups, he still wanted to talk about it. We had some time so I explained; my partner said he, too, had nothing. He became calm.
End of the game,he again said he was sorry for getting over-excited.
The point, I think, is to allow the coach to love the game as much as we do. If we bring confidence to the floor, then I think most of the emotion is unimportant.
mick

BktBallRef Mon Dec 31, 2001 01:17pm

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Originally posted by mick
I had a coach just screamin' at me the other night on a no-call. It was during a dead ball. He was outa the box about mid-court.
You folks U.P there are a whole lot more lenient than we are down here.

devdog69 Mon Dec 31, 2001 01:34pm

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Originally posted by mick


Sparky,
I had a coach just screamin' at me the other night on a no-call. It was during a dead ball. He was outa the box about mid-court.
I walked over to his coaching box and stood on the floor with my hands behind my back, and my head humbly bowed, while he carved me a new orifice. He wasn't swearing, just talking loudly. (<i>When I walked to the spot in front of his box, he, of course, followed cuz he wasn't quite done with me.</i>)
I listened.
I left.
At halftime during warm-ups, he still wanted to talk about it. We had some time so I explained; my partner said he, too, had nothing. He became calm.
End of the game,he again said he was sorry for getting over-excited.
The point, I think, is to allow the coach to love the game as much as we do. If we bring confidence to the floor, then I think most of the emotion is unimportant.
mick

Well said, Mick. Have fun, try not to take things personally, work hard and things will fall into place nicely, most of the time. I had a coach upset over a call a week or so ago. His girl, playing defense on a shooter, jumped, banged her arm down slapping the shooter in the face. Of course, when I blow the whistle she's standing with her arms straight up and the "what'd I do" look. He's all over me on the way to the table, saying she was straight up, blah, blah, blah. I report the foul, he's still ranting and raving, so I walk over stand quietly in front of the bench, til he quits howling. I had already explained the call briefly to him so I wasn't going to address that again. When he quieted down I asked "are we done" in a very calm voice, he said "yyeeess" like a whiny ten year old, and I went to my trail position for the free throws. Don't know if this approach is recommended but it worked very well for me in this situation. I know if I had went across and heard him yapping non-stop where everybody in the gym could hear, it would have tripped my trigger and I would have ended up whacking him, so I handled it this way.

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 31, 2001 01:42pm

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Originally posted by devdog69
I report the foul, he's still ranting and raving, so I walk over stand quietly in front of the bench, til he quits howling.
"...til he quits howling." You got the terminology just right. :D

Dan_ref Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:44am

Quote:

Originally posted by mick


Sparky,
I had a coach just screamin' at me the other night on a no-call. It was during a dead ball. He was outa the box about mid-court.
I walked over to his coaching box and stood on the floor with my hands behind my back, and my head humbly bowed, while he carved me a new orifice. He wasn't swearing, just talking loudly. (<i>When I walked to the spot in front of his box, he, of course, followed cuz he wasn't quite done with me.</i>)
I listened.
I left.
At halftime during warm-ups, he still wanted to talk about it. We had some time so I explained; my partner said he, too, had nothing. He became calm.
End of the game,he again said he was sorry for getting over-excited.
The point, I think, is to allow the coach to love the game as much as we do. If we bring confidence to the floor, then I think most of the emotion is unimportant.
mick

Well, ya done good I guess. But confidence & love of the
game is sorta besides the point, and I for one do not have
a problem discussing any call or non-call with any coach.
Unfortunately there are the very few coaches out there that
will take it too far, IMO, like saying "Don't put your
hands on me!" when you calmly try to herd them off the
floor. There's just no good response to "Don't put your
hands on me!", is there? Smile? Walk away? Whack him? Smack
him? Whatever you do you've lost the battle. So I intend
to never put myself in such a defensive position again,
which means I won't be putting my hands on a coach
again, which means I need to be very unsubtle and very
untactful, which means I'm gonna tell him to get off the
floor if he wants to talk to me. Your "willow bending in
the wind" aproach appeals to me, but I'm afraid it's just
too subtle to work with the "Don't put your hands on me!"
crowd.


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