2007-08 Major Mechanics Changes

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Good grief.

Some people can find a problem anywhere they look.

It says you "may" do it. It does NOT say you "have" to do it.

The mechanic for standing out on the floor away, from the bench, when the ball is going to be put in play in front of the bench has not changed.

are you just referring to me? or the others that don't like the changes too?

Good grief indeed!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

are you just referring to me? or the others that don't like the changes too?

Good grief indeed!

Ah.....who did I quote?

The rule has nothing to do with standing in front of the bench. Did we stand in front of the bench last year? No. We moved onto the floor away from the bench. What do you see in the original post that says that's changed? Where does it say you have to put the ball down before going to speak to the opposing coach?

Sad day.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Ah.....who did I quote?

The rule has nothing to do with standing in front of the bench. Did we stand in front of the bench last year? No. We moved onto the floor away from the bench. What do you see in the original post that says that's changed? Where does it say you have to put the ball down before going to speak to the opposing coach?

Sad day.

10,000+ post to just over 100 post...hmmm...as Rut mentioned you never know which one of you vets is going to ding a younger guy for something like "MAY" and that something you "MAY" not like might be something you vets already do but just want to ding a younger guy, just because you have more experience doesn't make it right...i guess i need a few more than 100+ posts to get a "little" respect from vets like you...

sad day indeed!!!

[LarryS]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The NFHS just posted these mechanics changes. What do people think of them?
The first one matches the NCAA rule. The second reverts back to the way it used to be done by the NFHS and has always been done by IAABO, since that group never changed. The final one goes against previous advice of not leaving the ball on the floor unattended.



2007-08 MAJOR MECHANICS CHANGES

211; 321: The referee may designate the official to administer the jump ball to start the game or overtime.

273; 275; Diagram 29: Crew of Two Only: Change the time-out and intermission positions so that the administering official will stand where play will be resumed and the non-administering official will stand, facing the table, on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30-second time-out or intermission).

273; 378: During a time-out or intermission, the administering official may set the ball down on the floor where play will be resumed if movement is necessary away from the spot to communicate with the table/partner(s).

I think this is what drew the "good grief" comment. We have all these people concerned about the legal ramifications should someone trip over the basketball while it is on the floor and all the problems that can arise if someone moves/hides/steals the ball.

How about this...since, with one possible exception, the posters here are at least semi-intelligent and observant...IF YOU THINK SOMEONE WILL GET HURT FROM A SITTING BALL OR MOVE, HIDE OR STEAL THE BALL...DO NOT SET IT DOWN!

It states the official MAY set the ball down on the floor (not sure how one would set it UP on the floor, but that is a different discussion), not that the official MUST set the ball down on the floor.

IMO, if you are a good enough official to be assigned a varsity game you should be alert and observant enough to know when it is safe to use that option.

[JRutledge]

Believe it or not some here even think the MAY is a bad use of language for this mechanic. And believe it or not, someone will not look at this as MAY and might use this as a reason to ding officials over. The point that I have made we did not need this mechanic even as a MAY as apart of the language.

Remember not everyone that uses NF mechanics are 10, 20, and 30 year veterans and will know when to use and when not to use mechanics. There will be some young officials that might do something they read and take it to heart more than someone like me that has been around might know when to pick and choose. Also not all levels are the same. Working a freshman game where 10 people are in the stands are a little different than working a sophomore or varsity game where cheerleaders might more likely be present and the atmosphere is drastically different. I am not concerned about veterans that have been around the game, I am more concern with the newer official that is worried about what they are calling than the many things going on during a timeout which a veteran might do as common place.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The NFHS just posted these mechanics changes. What do people think of them?
The first one matches the NCAA rule. The second reverts back to the way it used to be done by the NFHS and has always been done by IAABO, since that group never changed. The final one goes against previous advice of not leaving the ball on the floor unattended.



2007-08 MAJOR MECHANICS CHANGES

211; 321: The referee may designate the official to administer the jump ball to start the game or overtime.

273; 275; Diagram 29: Crew of Two Only: Change the time-out and intermission positions so that the administering official will stand where play will be resumed and the non-administering official will stand, facing the table, on the division line (on the circle nearest the table for a 30-second time-out or intermission).

273; 378: During a time-out or intermission, the administering official may set the ball down on the floor where play will be resumed if movement is necessary away from the spot to communicate with the table/partner(s).

Sounds good to me, all three.